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Mar 27, 2009 16:06
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Russian term

опережающее обучение

Russian to English Other Human Resources education
Правительство планирует опережающее обучение, переподготовку и повышение квалификации кадров.

Does this have a specific meaning or is it just generally 'advanced' training?

Thanks!
Proposed translations (English)
4 +3 proactive training
3 +2 advanced training
4 anticipating instruction
4 Further training
3 accelerated retraining

Discussion

Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 28, 2009:
Thank you, Anna, you too! Nothing like a Friday night linguistic discussion to prepare one for a relaxing week end:)
Anna Fominykh Mar 28, 2009:
Aleksey, your arguments are absolutely valid, as well as mine. From the definition of "proactive": "Acting in advance to deal with an expected difficulty", it is positive only compared to "reactive". Let the Asker be the judge. Have a great weekend!
Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 28, 2009:

... convey that. And all training is not by definition proactive. You one can decide to train their kids to use abacus telling them that it's the thing that will land them high-paying jobs. It will be training all right, just not very proactive.
Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 28, 2009:

...that happens in stead of waiting for unemployment to hit hard. So the government proactively introduces programs that would retrain the workers for new professions that will be in demand in the market place. The phrase 'advanced training' would not...
Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 28, 2009:

Again, we do not really know the context, but the way I see it is this. The government anticipates disappearance or significant shrinking of certain industries followed by job cuts and unemployment. It decides to start retraining workers before...
Anna Fominykh Mar 28, 2009:
All training by definition is proactive, it prepares recipients for future tasks. "Advanced training" in this context means increasing their qualification to better compete in the market. We have to translate in context. That's all it is to it.
Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 28, 2009:

I would also respectfully disagree with 'proactive' having a negative connotation. If anything, it is almost always used in opposition to 'reactive' the latter term and approach to doing things bearing a certain negativity.
Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 28, 2009:
...to convey all that, just as the word опережающее does not convey it in the Russian original. Обучение, переподготовку и повышение квалификации кадров convey that idea and so will do their English counterparts.
Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 28, 2009:

Re.: "Also, using the term "proactive" does not really tell you anything about the nature of the training, it does not specify if the workers will gain any advanced skills or expand their employment opportunities." The word "proactive" does not have...
Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 28, 2009:
... or is it training for an advanced degree, etc.
Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 28, 2009:
It would not unequivocally convey the idea of being proactive - i.e. anticipating needs and acting ahead of time to to fulfill those needs. In stead it would leave the reader wondering if the advanced training here means training using advanced methods...
Anna Fominykh Mar 28, 2009:
Advanced training also means: http://www.advancedtraining.edu/ "Advanced Training Associates..., and provides quality career training to assist individuals in learning new skills and/or enhancing previously obtained skills, through continued education..."
Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 28, 2009:
The asker has not provided the full context. So i am conjecturing based on the meaning as I see it from just one sentence. Anna, "advanced" is a great word, and it could indeed mean 'ahead of times'. Yet in this particular situation it could be ambiguous.
Anna Fominykh Mar 28, 2009:
carries a positive connotation, consistent with the government intentions, unlike "proactive", which is strongly associated with emergency situation.
Mikhail Korolev Mar 28, 2009:
Насчет advanced training:
https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/statutes/?id=626.5591&ye...
https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/rules/?id=2110.0010
http://wyomcases.courts.state.wy.us/applications/oscn/Delive...
Anna Fominykh Mar 28, 2009:
Also, using the term "proactive" does not really tell you anything about the nature of the training, it does not specify if the workers will gain any advanced skills or expand their employment opportunities. In a context "advanced training" carries a posi
Anna Fominykh Mar 28, 2009:
continue: 3. Ahead of the times; progressive: advanced teaching methods.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/advanced
As I already mentioned in my answer, this term means that workers are to be retrained to get advanced skills to compete in the market.
Anna Fominykh Mar 28, 2009:
"Proactive" sounds reasonably good, but it has a very specific meaning. "Advanced" is a more general and widely used term. Its definition includes:
1. Highly developed or complex.
2. Being at a higher level than others: an advanced text in physics
koundelev Mar 28, 2009:
REACTIVE OR PROACTIVE EDUCATION AND TRAINING SYSTEM ..... workers who need to be re-trained and/or re-skilled, ...
www.instam.org/student_info/reading_room/political/reactive...

Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 27, 2009:
Предлагаю изменить немного конструкцию, в русском языке мы любим существительные, английский язык любит глаголы - Government plans to proactively educate, retrain workforce and improve workforce skills. Или что-то наподобие.
Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 27, 2009:
..специалисты по извлечению энергии из альтернативных источников через два, скажем, года, давайте их сейчас обучим.
Aleksey Chervinskiy Mar 27, 2009:
Я за proactive. Правительство может либо реагировать на события - reactive approach - нужны стране стали программисты в 2009 г., мы их в в 2010 г. обучим; либо правительство может планировать на будущее, опережая события - be proactive - нужны нам будут..
Mikhail Korolev Mar 27, 2009:
http://tass-ural.ru/analit/review/?id=386
Предлагаю ознакомиться. Речь там о том, что опережающее обучение это обучение зачастую совершенно новой специальности за короткий срок.

Proposed translations

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2 hrs
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proactive training

Multiple examples can be easily found in Google.
Example sentence:

proactive training solutions, proactive personal training, etc...

Reference:

http://google.ru

Peer comment(s):
agree Aleksey Chervinskiy : Наталия, не за что!
3 hrs
Спасибо за поддержку, Алексей! Что касается употребления глаголов - согласна.
agree koundelev
5 hrs
Спасибо, George!
agree vera12191 : Очень разумный вариант.
15 hrs
Спасибо, Vera!
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks to all. It was hard to know without more context, so in the end I asked the client and they did mean training in anticipation of redundancies. I actually used an explanation rather than trying to find a 'set expression' as I don't think we have one. "
14 mins

anticipating instruction

Accordingly the principle “anticipating instruction”, entire effective organization of instruction is directed toward the making more active, the development of the cognitive activity of trainee, the forming of the ability to independently acquire knowledge in the collaboration with others trainees, i.e. to be self-developed.
Example sentence:

Accordingly the principle “anticipating instruction”, entire effective organization of instruction is directed toward the making more active, the development of the cognitive activity of trainee, the forming of the ability to independently acquire kno

Reference:

http://msk.treko.ru/show_dict_531

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+2
12 mins

advanced training

It looks like it has very similar meaning to "advanced training":
examples:
"Опережающее обучение по Л.В. Занкову"
http://msk.treko.ru/show_dict_531
Опережающее обучение новым специальностям расширит возможности работников Коми на рынке труда
http://www.komiinform.ru/news/54852/

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Note added at 14 mins (2009-03-27 16:20:12 GMT)
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It seems to be true especially in this quote: "Опережающее обучение новым специальностям позволит расширить возможности работников Коми на рынке труда. Об этом шла речь на “круглом столе”, посвященном вопросам подготовки и переподготовки кадров, а также решению проблем безработицы в условиях кризиса, который прошел в Представительстве Коми в Северо-Западном регионе РФ.'

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Note added at 20 mins (2009-03-27 16:26:51 GMT)
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It means that workers need to be retrained to get advanced skills to compete in the market.
Peer comment(s):
agree Michael Korovkin
4 mins
Спасибо!
agree Igor Blinov
3 hrs
Спасибо!
neutral koundelev : в вопросе "опережающее" следует понимать как "предваряющее"
8 hrs
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2 hrs

Further training

It means something above and beyond present employees' training so the phrase "further training" would work well here.
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5 hrs

accelerated retraining

http://www.legis.state.wv.us/Bulletin_Board/2004/rs/House/H_...

We'll tap the skills of this generation to meet the real needs of West Virginia in the 21st century and provide accelerated retraining to move them into careers where we have shortages, including nursing, technology and aviation.


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Note added at 5 hrs (2009-03-27 22:05:13 GMT)
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Я долго думал, можно ли как-то выразить на англ., то о чем говорится здесь:

http://tass-ural.ru/analit/review/?id=386

И мне кажется, что accelerated retraining вполне этому соответствует.
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