Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
caoutchouc flat materials
Romanian translation:
materiale necomerciale de cauciuc
English term
Romania
Sworn Translator
Native in: Romanian 
Works in: Romanian to English, English to French, English to Romanian
caoutchouc flat materials
| 3 -1 | materiale necomerciale de cauciuc |
Dana David Kogan
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| 4 +1 | materiale din cauciuc neted |
Denise Idel
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| 4 | materiale plate/nete de cauciuc |
Dana David Kogan
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Non-PRO (1): Denise Idel
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Proposed translations
Israel
3 lingual proficiency+20 yrs. experience
Native in: Romanian , Hebrew
Works in: Romanian to Hebrew, Hebrew to Romanian, English to Romanian, and 1 more.
materiale necomerciale de cauciuc
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/flat.html
poate????
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rectificare+votOct 1
dupa putinele date de context am totusi impresia ca este vorba de materiale cu preturi plate si nu efeciv de materia .
mi-a lipsit cuvantul "plat" pentru care votez.
iar referitor la primul termen propus de mine, de fapt am intentionat sa scriu material inactiv in comert si nu necomercial.
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Denise Idel
: de ce necomercial? nu-i vad totusi logica mai ales in contextul dat ("for the purpose of **sales** and production ").
8 mins
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Monika Silea
: de acord cu Denise. Poate ca e vorba de primul sens, adica plat sau plan, spre desoebire de profiluri de cauciuc.
28 mins
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Israel
Native in: Romanian (Variant: Moldovan)
Works in: Hebrew to Romanian, Romanian to Hebrew, English to Romanian
materiale din cauciuc neted
Israel
3 lingual proficiency+20 yrs. experience
Native in: Romanian , Hebrew
Works in: Romanian to Hebrew, Hebrew to Romanian, English to Romanian, and 1 more.
materiale plate/nete de cauciuc
dupa multe multe cautari optez in 2 sensuri complet diferite.
deoarece nu am in fata mea acest c.v. ca sa/mi dau seama in ce directie se refera autorul
A) posibilitatea accentuari pe comert este posibila.
1- in urmare unul din nenumeratele dictionare :
encarta explica: flat
"commercially inactive: not commercially active." si da ca exemplu
"The market is fairly flat at the moment."
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/flat.html
2- dupa toate regulile de gramatica,
cuvantul *flat* adjectiveaza materialele si nu cauciucul.
dealtfel propozitia nu este formulata *flat caoutchouc materials*
ca sa fie tradusa "materiale de cauciuc neted" cum sa propus de o colega ci, "caoutchouc flat materials."
deci o posibilitate ar fi:
materiale inactive de cauciuc.
se poate ca acea firma cumpara si vinde aceste materiale.
B) a doua posibilitate, sustinund logica automata fara context
ar fi in directia propusa de Adelle dar cu putina rezervare.
a- toate fotografiile din Google arata obiecte gata produse.
in acest caz omul ar fi scris "caoutchouc flat goods" si nu "materials" . DECI accentuarea este pe materiale de cauciuc si nu pe diferite obiecte facute din cauciuc.
b- in societatea americana multe "idioms" folosite uzual in meserii sunt introduse ca un termen standard chiar fara a fi neaparat academic. totusi ue nu am gasit nicaieri "rubber flat" ca termen. numai cuvinete separate.
motorul Google nu are cognitia cuvintelor ci la alatura unul de altul dupa cum persoana le tipareste. Deci daca tiparesti *rubber flat * vei optine rezultate fara cognitie gramaticala.
Eu nu am gasit nicaieri - dictionare (oxford, webster, ask.com) si nici in enciclopedii (columbia, encarta, bigpedia, wiki = world encyclopedia, ) acest termen. decat cu continuare in care flat este adjectivul unui substantiv - la fel si in fotografiile lui Google.
da, in toate articole exista referinte la industrializrea cauciucului in care materialul prim este turnat in forme plate, foi de cauciuc.
care sunt prefabricate in obiecte diferite.
in concluzie *caoutchouc flat materials* este vorba de
cantitati de materiale (nu de bunuri/obiecte) in forma de foi/plate de cauciuc
articole :
http://www.answers.com/rubber flat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caoutchouc
http://www.bartleby.com/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/sitesearch?F...
si multe multe alte referinte asemanatoare
Reference comments
Israel
Native in: Romanian (Variant: Moldovan)
Works in: Hebrew to Romanian, Romanian to Hebrew, English to Romanian
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Note added at 33 mins (2008-10-01 12:23:22 GMT) Post-grading
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http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&as_qdr=all&q="rubber f...
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Dana David Kogan
: vezi argumentele in raspunsul meu
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Discussion
mi-a lipsit cuvantul "plat" pentru care votez.
iar referitor la termenul propus de mine mai devreme, de fapt am intentionat sa scriu material inactiv in comert si nu necomercial.
http://www.proz.com/siterules/kudoz_asking/2.4#2.4