Apr 9, 2010 10:21
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English term

nuisance dust

English to Romanian Other Environment & Ecology
Boric acid is treated as nuisance dust.

Discussion

ION CAPATINA Apr 11, 2010:
Inert=inactiv Sunt de acord ca nu reactioneaza, dar nu numai chimic, ci in orice fel, deci nu are actiune asupra corpului omenesc. Reactiile corpului omenesc sunt chimice. (oxigen, CO2, Fe, Na, K, H2O,etc)
Alina Weidell Apr 10, 2010:
inert nu este neutru după părerea mea. Inert înseamnă ca nu reacţionează chimic, cred că folosirea lui inert este un false friend.
ION CAPATINA Apr 10, 2010:
deci este INERT Astfel de texte m-au facut sa aleg INERT, pentru ca este mentionat ca atare in literatura de specialitate in SUA, Franta si Romania. Cel mai mult m-a determinat faptul ca in mine (tatal meu a lucrat in mina) se foloseste foarte des termenul de praf inert.http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz...
Alina Weidell Apr 10, 2010:
diferite tipuri http://www.syntechproducts.com/syntech4.ivnu
Types of Dust

Fibrogenic dust such as free crystalline silica (FCS) or asbestos, is biologically toxic and, if retained in the lungs, can form scar tissue and impair the lungs' ability to function properly.

Nuisance dust or inert dust can be defined as dust that contains less than 1% quartz. Because of its low content of silicates, nuisance dust has a long history of having little adverse effect on the lungs. Any reaction that may occur from nuisance dust is potentially reversible. However, excessive concentrations of nuisance dust in the workplace may reduce visibility (e.g., iron oxide), may cause unpleasant deposits in eyes, cars, and nasal passages (e.g., portland cement dust), and may cause injury to the skin or mucous membranes by chemical or mechanical action.
From an occupational health point of view, dust is classified by size into three primary categories:
Respirable dust
Inhalable dust
Total dust
Alina Weidell Apr 10, 2010:
diferenţa De acord. Este neplăcut/supărător.În cantităţi mai mari, este iritant şi se poate sublinia acest fapt-că nu este nociv în cantităţi mici dar iritant în cantităţi mai mari. Cred că e vorba de o clasificare şi din câte am înţeles, există şi total nuisance dust după anumite standarde.Este foarte greu de determinat în lipsă de mai mult context
The following analytical methods are used:
· Respirable nuisance dust: NIOSH 0600
· Total nuisance dust: NIOSH 0500
http://www.cwc.org/plastic/pl977fs.pdf
Annamaria Amik Apr 10, 2010:
Nuisance vs hazard Eu tind sa cred ca e vorba despre diferenta dintre nuisance and hazard. Riscul/periculozitatea pot fi grave, vatamatoare sanatatii, iar nuisance (disconfortul), cel putin sub anumite limite, nu implica pericole asupra sanatatii.
Eu as include acest aspect in traducere: pulberi disconfortante.

Un articol partial accesibil imi confirma aceasta banuiala: http://www.scribd.com/doc/8756588/Igiena-mediului-Rezumat
Clasificarea de aici distinge urmatoarele: pragul efectului nul, pragul disconfortant si pragul de nocivitate (apoi pragul de urgenta).
Cred ca nuisance-ul nostru echivaleaza cu pragul disconfortant.
ION CAPATINA Apr 10, 2010:
Need some colleagues inputs Dear colleagues, please look into it. You know about being subjective, each of us thinks about one term or another as being "the right one". Please look at each explanation and reasoning without any biases.
Note: I use mostly English in my posts because I have to keep my keyboard on English mostly, so I don't have diacritical characters, and it doesn't look good without them.
Secondly, I considered the term INERT as being "neutral" in this context, not pushing either in the NEGATIVE direction, like harmful/dangerous nor in POZITIVE direction, like this "nuisance" as "not harmful/not bad/inoffensive", because the "nuisance" behavior in normal life is something bothering....but not killing you.
ION CAPATINA Apr 9, 2010:
INERT = LACK OF ACTION The meaning of inert is "there is a lack of action" on us, on the body.
http://www.answers.com/topic/inert
Alina Weidell Apr 9, 2010:
inert sau inofensiv diferenta depinde de context, inertia pe mine ma duce cu gândul la inertia chimica dar in cazul asta nu se aplica din cate stiu eu
ION CAPATINA Apr 9, 2010:
Francezii merg si ei pe INERT TOXICOLOGIE : Le risque avec le TiO2 est celui d'une poussière nuisible. Il est inerte, pratiquement non-toxique, et chimiquement non-irritant.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz...
ION CAPATINA Apr 9, 2010:
Adica opus lui toxic, deci "Praf inert". Alina,
din documentul atasat, citat din OSHA, se pare ca "The boric acid is not harmful, NOT HAZARDOUS" to humans", deci NU este periculos, primejdios, s.a.m.d.
Este un praf inert, conform celor doua clasificari pe care le-am prezentat.
Terminologia de "praf inert" se foloseste in mine, fabrici de ciment, fabrici de chimicale, etc.
Atunci cand este un accident si asa mai departe se vorbeste de concentratia de praf inert". Am dat exemplu in postare.
Inert este potrivit (consider eu) pentru ca a fost definit ca atare si in engleza si accentueaza aspectul ca NU face rau decat in cantitati mari.
Andreea Boldura Apr 9, 2010:
o definiţie Am găsit o definiţie pentru "nuisance dust", o redau mai jos.

Termenul reţinut în franceză e "poussières nuisibles"

"Nuisance particulates is a term used by the ACGIH to describe airborne materials (solids and liquids) which have little harmful effect on the lungs and do not produce significant disease or harmful effects when exposures are kept under reasonable control. Nuisance particulates may also be called nuisance dusts. High levels of nuisance particulates in the air may reduce visibility and can get into the eyes, ears and nose. Removal of this material by washing or rubbing may cause irritation"

Depinde într-adevăr de context, dacă e inofensiv sau dăunător.
Alina Weidell Apr 9, 2010:
mai degraba inofensiv (innocuous) pentru nuisance nevătămător/lipsit de nocivitate
dar poate fi si iritabil (în cantintăţi mari) deci depinde de context
...considered to be in the category of a nuisance dust, i.e., a dust that is
generally innocuous and not recognized as the cause of
serious pathological conditions.
http://www.cwc.org/plastic/pl977fs.pdf
Alina Weidell Apr 9, 2010:
nu cred ca se refera la toxic Occupational Exposure Limits: Boric Acid is listed/regulated by OSHA, Cal OSHA and ACGIH as "Particulate Not Otherwise Classified" or "Nuisance Dust."
http://www.lewisu.edu/academics/biology/pdf/boric_acid_dry.p...
Acid has a relatively low acute toxicity. Small amounts (e.g., a teaspoonful) swallowed accidentally are not likely to cause effects; swallowing amounts larger than that may cause gastrointestinal symptoms.
www.americanborate.com/uploads/Boric_Acid-MSDS.doc
ION CAPATINA Apr 9, 2010:
"toxic vs. nuissance dust" Context, va rog? Va rog sa adaugati putin la context, sau sa precizati din ce fel de document face parte. "praf daunator" mi se pare prea general si literar. In mediile de munca este foarte important sa se precizeze ca este "inert", deci nu este toxic. Multumesc.

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inofensiv/nevătămător/lipsit de nocivitate

nevătămător/lipsit de nocivitate
dar poate fi si iritabil (în cantintăţi mari) deci depinde de context
...considered to be in the category of a nuisance dust, i.e., a dust that is generally innocuous and not recognized as the cause of
serious pathological conditions.
http://www.cwc.org/plastic/pl977fs.pdf

aici nu e vorba de acidul boric dar explică bine la ce se referă 'nuisance dust'
http://www.syntechproducts.com/syntech4.ivnu
Nuisance dust or inert dust can be defined as dust that contains less than 1% quartz. Because of its low content of silicates, nuisance dust has a long history of having little adverse effect on the lungs. Any reaction that may occur from nuisance dust is potentially reversible. However, excessive concentrations of nuisance dust in the workplace may reduce visibility (e.g., iron oxide), may cause unpleasant deposits in eyes, cars, and nasal passages (e.g., portland cement dust), and may cause injury to the skin or mucous membranes by chemical or mechanical action.

Este folosit ca antiseptic deci nu e toxic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boric_acid

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În funcţie de criteriile de clasificare sunt mai multe tipuri
http://www.syntechproducts.com/syntech4.ivnu
Fibrogenic dust such as free crystalline silica (FCS) or asbestos, is biologically toxic and, if retained in the lungs, can form scar tissue and impair the lungs' ability to function properly.

Nuisance dust or inert dust can be defined as dust that contains less than 1% quartz. Because of its low content of silicates, nuisance dust has a long history of having little adverse effect on the lungs. Any reaction that may occur from nuisance dust is potentially reversible. However, excessive concentrations of nuisance dust in the workplace may reduce visibility (e.g., iron oxide), may cause unpleasant deposits in eyes, cars, and nasal passages (e.g., portland cement dust), and may cause injury to the skin or mucous membranes by chemical or mechanical action.

From an occupational health point of view, dust is classified by size into three primary categories:

Respirable dust
Inhalable dust
Total dust

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se poate sublinia că, în cantităţi mai mari, este NEPLĂCUT/IRITABIL, etc.
Peer comment(s):

agree Anca Nitu : inofensiv, nu inert inert inseamna ca nu reactioneaza chimic
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mulţumesc, aşa cred şi eu
neutral ION CAPATINA : Why to the Americans, English, French and...even Romanians call it INERT in their refferences? Because it does not harm the body...LACK of action on us...
2 hrs
eu nu am găsit multe referinţe pt inert, pe lângă asta mi se pare că inofensiv, lipsit de nocivitate, 'nederanjant' în alte cuvinte sună mai bine
agree Roxana Nechita
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mulţumesc
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praf toxic

Acidul boric există şi sub formă de praf.

"Acidul boric se tratează ca un praf toxic."
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pulberi periculoase/nocive/dăunatoare

http://www.dspbr.ro/legislatie/ordin536.htm
c) amenajarea traseelor se va face în aşa fel încât să se reducă la minimum impactul poluanţilor asupra sănătăţii publice (linii de tramvai insonorizat, pavimente din materiale care să nu producă zgomot şi să nu elibereze în atmosferă substanţe chimice sau pulberi periculoase..
Peer comment(s):

agree Andreea Boldura
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agree Iosif JUHASZ
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neutral ION CAPATINA : daunator/nociv/periculos are alt sens.
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neutral Alina Weidell : nici eu nu cred ca se refera la periculos/nociv, am afişat nişte referinţe la discuţii
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Praf inert

In context industrial, sunt prafuri toxice si prafuri inerte.
In engleza, este accentuata aceasta diferenta si se permite on concentratie de 100 de ori mai mare pentru cele inerte fata de cele toxice.
Ar fi bun mai mult context, dar daca este tehnic, trebuie sa fie vorba de "inert".
De exemplu si mastile de praf se traduc ca masti de praf inert cand avem "nuisance dust":
“prafuri inerte” “nuisance dust” Ro and En
http://www.minicomat.ro/echipamente-protectie/protectia-cail...
http://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/product/Nuisance-Dust-Ma...
Iata alte citate si linkuri:
Fibrogenic dust, such as free crystalline silica (FCS) or asbestos, is biologically toxic and, if retained in the lungs, can form scar tissue and impair the lungs' ability to function properly.

Nuisance dust, or inert dust, can be defined as dust that contains less than 1% quartz. Because of its low content of silicates, nuisance dust has a long history of having little adverse effect on the lungs. Any reaction that may occur from nuisance dust is potentially reversible. However, excessive concentrations of nuisance dust in the workplace may reduce visibility (e.g., iron oxide), may cause unpleasant deposits in eyes, cars, and nasal passages (e.g., portland cement dust), and may cause injury to the skin or mucous membranes by chemical or mechanical action.
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/silicacrystalline/dust/chapter_1.ht...
http://www.lillymiller.com/msds/spoonit/Spoonit_30-10-10.pdf

1964 first time became part of the law. “Air pollution as a private nuisance”
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?collection=journals&ha...



“The first step is to ascertain the allowable indoor limit for the dust being captured. OSHA has set an indoor limit of 5 mg of nonspecific or nuisance dust (< 10 microns in size) per cubic meter of air. Toxic dusts, such as silica, carry an indoor limit of only 0.05 mg per cubic meter - 100 times stricter than the allowable threshold for nuisance dust.”
http://www.farrapc.com/articles/recirculating/osha
http://isbm.3dn.ru/_ld/0/8_Lab_3_PMMA.pdf
după toxicitate: praf agresiv sau toxic (de plumb,
arseniu, bitum); praf inert (de lemn, zahar, ciment, talc, creta)
http://books.google.com/books?id=56lNAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA103&lpg=P...


“nu au fost determinaţi în mod constant parametrii prafului inert şi nu s-a realizat controlul şistificării prin metoda colorimetrică în fiecare schimb (conform PT-
C26)”
http://www.cercetare.icpm.ro/pag_site/Raport stiintific si t...




Example sentence:

Acidul boric este un alt praf inert, cum sunt si caolinul, cimentul, talcul, etc."

Peer comment(s):

agree Maria Diaconu : Praf inert, așa apare și în legislație
3851 days
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