Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
ferrage
English translation:
metal fittings
Added to glossary by
Victoria Britten
Jun 18, 2013 15:42
10 yrs ago
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French term
France
Tracking the right turn of phrase
Native in: English (Variant: British) 
Works in: French to English, English, French
Ferrage
French to English
Other
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
Leather goods: luggage
"Le ferrage consiste dans la pose des serrures, coins, boucles et poignées."
Same context; I'm not sure how to translate it correctly here. The ProZ glossary gives "joining" but that doesn't sound right here - or am I making life too difficult for myself?
Same context; I'm not sure how to translate it correctly here. The ProZ glossary gives "joining" but that doesn't sound right here - or am I making life too difficult for myself?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +1 | metal fittings |
Helen Shiner
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| 4 +1 | metalwork |
kashew
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| 3 +1 | metal hardware |
Catcressie
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| 5 -1 | brass |
Christopher Crockett
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| 3 +1 | riveting/fixing/ironmongery |
Yvonne Gallagher
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| 3 | metalling |
Paul Hirsh
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References
| Louis Vuitton |
Alison MacG
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Proposed translations
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5 hrs
Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Arts/Academic translator - Art historian
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
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348
Selected
metal fittings
The Porsche Design TwinBag is one of the most exclusive bags around this season. Premium quality was a key focus in the selection of materials. The leather is tanned using an ecological process, the lining is made from soft Alcantara and the metal fittings are finished using an elaborate electroplating procedure. After vegetable tanning, the selected leather varieties – exclusive ostrich leather, elegant crocodile leather and modern calf leather – are processed with the highest precision and utmost attention to quality. An elaborate electroplating process is used to produce six different finishes for the timeless metal fittings which are then polished by hand. The fittings are made from precious metals, such as gold, white gold, rose gold, matt gold, silver and chrome.
http://press.porsche-design.com/index.php?id=159&L=1&tx_ttne...
Asprey introduces the Asprey Londoner Luggage collection, manufactured in England by Globe-Trotter. Luxury and durability meet in this five-piece collection of beautifully practical suitcases and trolleys. Bruce Hoeksema, Asprey’s newly appointed creative director, has designed every detail and aspect of this luggage collection, from colour and finish to selecting the metals used on the fittings. The size and shape of the rivets and nails were thought through as well as the signature Asprey lock that fastens all Asprey leather products. All the cases are lined with chic durable hemp linen with a leather hand stamped Asprey label. The hand stitched crocodile corners are chosen to match the classic stripe of the removable webbed luggage straps that secure the suitcases. The moulded vulcan fibreboard, used by Globe-Trotter over 100 years, creates an extraordinary strong structure while the metallic finish of the exterior give the pieces a modern sheen.
http://pursuitist.com/the-asprey-londoner-luggage/
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The provision of metal fittings encompasses ...
Metal fittings include ....
I would reword it. There may simply be no equivalent term.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2013-06-18 23:38:19 GMT)
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Metal fittings applied include ...
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Note added at 8 hrs (2013-06-19 00:22:29 GMT)
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Well, you could go with 'Applying / the application of metal fittings' or similar for your heading. I translate texts on the decorative arts constantly due to my training, and I do think you are searching in vain.
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An all-time favorite with gorgeous style - the bucket shoulder leather handbag. The accent stitching and supple Cervo calfskin leather create a stylish accent which is emphasized by large metal fittings applied on the shoulder.
http://www.ziamoda.com/Signature-Bucket-Bag-Black-Leather-Ha...
http://press.porsche-design.com/index.php?id=159&L=1&tx_ttne...
Asprey introduces the Asprey Londoner Luggage collection, manufactured in England by Globe-Trotter. Luxury and durability meet in this five-piece collection of beautifully practical suitcases and trolleys. Bruce Hoeksema, Asprey’s newly appointed creative director, has designed every detail and aspect of this luggage collection, from colour and finish to selecting the metals used on the fittings. The size and shape of the rivets and nails were thought through as well as the signature Asprey lock that fastens all Asprey leather products. All the cases are lined with chic durable hemp linen with a leather hand stamped Asprey label. The hand stitched crocodile corners are chosen to match the classic stripe of the removable webbed luggage straps that secure the suitcases. The moulded vulcan fibreboard, used by Globe-Trotter over 100 years, creates an extraordinary strong structure while the metallic finish of the exterior give the pieces a modern sheen.
http://pursuitist.com/the-asprey-londoner-luggage/
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Note added at 7 hrs (2013-06-18 23:37:10 GMT)
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The provision of metal fittings encompasses ...
Metal fittings include ....
I would reword it. There may simply be no equivalent term.
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Note added at 7 hrs (2013-06-18 23:38:19 GMT)
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Metal fittings applied include ...
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Note added at 8 hrs (2013-06-19 00:22:29 GMT)
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Well, you could go with 'Applying / the application of metal fittings' or similar for your heading. I translate texts on the decorative arts constantly due to my training, and I do think you are searching in vain.
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Note added at 19 hrs (2013-06-19 11:14:17 GMT)
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An all-time favorite with gorgeous style - the bucket shoulder leather handbag. The accent stitching and supple Cervo calfskin leather create a stylish accent which is emphasized by large metal fittings applied on the shoulder.
http://www.ziamoda.com/Signature-Bucket-Bag-Black-Leather-Ha...
Note from asker:
| The thing is, they are really talking about the processes that go into the making of luggage and I really don't see how I can get away with a noun phrase here. |
| This is also a section title in a list of the stages of luggage making: I simply can't rephrase that. In fact, my own first attempt was "metal fitting", until I went a bit further and discovered the sentence I gave as context. In any case, many thanks for your input. |
| Thanks - that's really helpful. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
GILLES MEUNIER
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Thanks, GILOU.
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Yvonne Gallagher
: I think "application/applying" is the wrong verb here and does not describe the process of fixing/at all well. (You "apply" cream). It's clear from your own 2nd link above and in pictures of high-end cases that rivets are used//well, have to disagree
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I routinely translate in this arena, and I can assure you that it is the right verb./See, for instance, the link I have just added to my answer./Well, I have years of experience of this type of translation, but I don't have the time to convince you alone.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks, Helen. You clearly know what you're talking about - and the client confirmed, in the end!"
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4 mins
Catcressie
Native in French
Legal & Business Translations
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, French to English
metal hardware
When I searched online for your previous term (enchape), I came across "metal hardware" for bag-making etc...
Incidentally re. enchape, did find "metal/leather/fabric tabs"
Incidentally re. enchape, did find "metal/leather/fabric tabs"
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32 mins
Christopher Crockett
Native in English
Specializes in field
M.A., Ph.D. Historian/Art Historian
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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46
brass
Leather luggage of this type almost always has brass (or at least brass-plated) metalwork, which sets off the (usually brown or dark cream) leather very well.
If that is the case with the high-end line that you are describing, how about going beyond the literal and over-the-top with something like "The luxurious leather is enhanced by brass[-plated] hinges, corners, buckles and handles" ?
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After all, the "ferrage" on such luxury items is very rarely (and literally) made of iron.
If that is the case with the high-end line that you are describing, how about going beyond the literal and over-the-top with something like "The luxurious leather is enhanced by brass[-plated] hinges, corners, buckles and handles" ?
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Note added at 34 mins (2013-06-18 16:16:53 GMT)
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After all, the "ferrage" on such luxury items is very rarely (and literally) made of iron.
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
philgoddard
: it could be all kinds of metals: stainless steel, aluminum...
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Yeah, Phil, it *could* be any metal, but my guess is, if it is High-End, Luxury Luggage, it ain't made out of aluminum. My bet's on Brass.
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46 mins
metalwork
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As in "Jill Milan's handbags are adorned with handmade metalwork and include hand stitching. They are the only luxury handbag line on Hollywood's ..."
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As in "Jill Milan's handbags are adorned with handmade metalwork and include hand stitching. They are the only luxury handbag line on Hollywood's ..."
2 hrs
Paul Hirsh
France
France
Native in English
Specializes in field
France
The Human Translator
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, Russian to English, Spanish to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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24
metalling
Peer comment(s):
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Helen Shiner
: This is a term used, for instance, in the application of metal to glassware or when metal is incorporated into another material. Not for the application of metal fittings to luggage, for instance.
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I agree with your neutrals, I just found this definition on line
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kashew
: Or to road surfacing.
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I agree with your neutrals, I just found this definition on line
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9 mins
Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Ireland
Native in English
Specializes in field
Ireland
right word, right place. everytime
Native in: English (Variants: US, Canadian, Irish, UK)
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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24
riveting/fixing/ironmongery
presumably these are old-style suitcases with metal handles corners etc?
http://books.google.ie/books?id=3r2cYD0jJSwC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA2...
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Rivets are used to fix these metal corners/hinges/handles to the luggage so I think "riveting" and/or "fixing" are the most appropriate verbs to use here. Or perhaps "AFFIXING or "ATTACHING" or even "mounting" but "fitting or "applying" just don't work imo as they don't really describe the process involved.
"Riveting" remains my first choice
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-Riveted-Metal-Suitcase-Lug...
http://www.mrporter.com/product/371551?cm_sp=we_recommend-_-...
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http://www.louisvuitton.com/front/#/eng_US/Collections/Women...
http://books.google.ie/books?id=3r2cYD0jJSwC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA2...
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Rivets are used to fix these metal corners/hinges/handles to the luggage so I think "riveting" and/or "fixing" are the most appropriate verbs to use here. Or perhaps "AFFIXING or "ATTACHING" or even "mounting" but "fitting or "applying" just don't work imo as they don't really describe the process involved.
"Riveting" remains my first choice
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-Riveted-Metal-Suitcase-Lug...
http://www.mrporter.com/product/371551?cm_sp=we_recommend-_-...
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http://www.louisvuitton.com/front/#/eng_US/Collections/Women...
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Paul Hirsh
: this comes closest, as the sentence referes to the fixing rather than the hardware itself
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Thanks Paul. yes, I read this as being about the riveting/fixing as well
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Helen Shiner
: Except the FR word for to rivet is not used by the author. There are a variety of ways in which metal fittings are applied to such luxury goods, and the language of the decorative arts in very often used to signal such luxury, hence my suggestions./It is.
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well "Apply" is not correct imo for a fixing process...
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Reference comments
19 hrs
Alison MacG
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Patents and related material specialist
Native in: English (Variants: Scottish, UK, British)
Works in: German to English, French to English, Swedish to English, and 4 more.
Reference:
Louis Vuitton
Some more definitions, although only in French, I'm afraid.
Au moins aussi bruyantes que le travail de lozinage, les opérations de ferrage consistent à fixer aux bagages, par des rivets d’acier et de laiton, les serrures et divers éléments comme les poignées, les coins, les équerres, les lattes ou les attachots
19 Bruyantes, les opérations de ferrage consistent à fixer aux bagages rigides, par des rivets, les serrures, les coins, les poignées, etc.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3r2cYD0jJSwC&pg=PA29&lpg=...
LOUIS VUITTON RECRUTE sur les métiers de MAROQUINIER et LOZINEUR FERREUR
*Profil recherché/Lozineur-ferreur* : Le métier de lozineur-ferreur est propre à la maison Louis Vuitton car il touche un savoir-faire unique. Il consiste à fixer les lozines (baguettes de protection en résine) et autres parties métalliques sur les malles et autres bagages rigides.
https://fr-fr.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=21555472...
La lozine, une spécialité Vuitton
Les clous sont posés sur la lozine du bagage. La lozine, fibre vulcanisée très résistante, recouvre les angles de toutes les malles Vuitton.
http://www.journaldunet.com/economie/reportage/louis-vuitton...
Après avoir posé les charnières et les coins en laiton sur la malle, Romuald, lozineur ferreur, s'apprête à fixer la poignée.
http://www.leparisien.fr/magazine/plaisir/vuitton-la-malle-a...
The only reference I could find in English was this very informal one:
... a trunkmaker named Eric Leroux, who oversees a framemaker, a lozineur (someone who edges hard-sided luggage), a ferreur (an expert in brass corners), and a locksmith.
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2011/03/28/110328ta_talk_widdi...
Au moins aussi bruyantes que le travail de lozinage, les opérations de ferrage consistent à fixer aux bagages, par des rivets d’acier et de laiton, les serrures et divers éléments comme les poignées, les coins, les équerres, les lattes ou les attachots
19 Bruyantes, les opérations de ferrage consistent à fixer aux bagages rigides, par des rivets, les serrures, les coins, les poignées, etc.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3r2cYD0jJSwC&pg=PA29&lpg=...
LOUIS VUITTON RECRUTE sur les métiers de MAROQUINIER et LOZINEUR FERREUR
*Profil recherché/Lozineur-ferreur* : Le métier de lozineur-ferreur est propre à la maison Louis Vuitton car il touche un savoir-faire unique. Il consiste à fixer les lozines (baguettes de protection en résine) et autres parties métalliques sur les malles et autres bagages rigides.
https://fr-fr.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=21555472...
La lozine, une spécialité Vuitton
Les clous sont posés sur la lozine du bagage. La lozine, fibre vulcanisée très résistante, recouvre les angles de toutes les malles Vuitton.
http://www.journaldunet.com/economie/reportage/louis-vuitton...
Après avoir posé les charnières et les coins en laiton sur la malle, Romuald, lozineur ferreur, s'apprête à fixer la poignée.
http://www.leparisien.fr/magazine/plaisir/vuitton-la-malle-a...
The only reference I could find in English was this very informal one:
... a trunkmaker named Eric Leroux, who oversees a framemaker, a lozineur (someone who edges hard-sided luggage), a ferreur (an expert in brass corners), and a locksmith.
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2011/03/28/110328ta_talk_widdi...
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