Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

classe préparatoire à HEC

English translation:

preparatory course for the HEC business school entrance exam

Added to glossary by Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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French term

classe préparatoire à HEC

French to English Social Sciences Education / Pedagogy
In a friend's résume, I haven't a clue

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HEC
No prépa, no HEC
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Jun 7, 2009 15:58: Nikki Scott-Despaigne changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/0">'s</a> old entry - "classe préparatoire à HEC"" to ""preparatory course (crammer course) for the HEC business school entrance exam""

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preparatory course (crammer course) for the HEC business school entrance exam

Indeed, the idea of doing preparatory courses for entrance to particular schools, universities and so on is quite French. They are common for mugging up on knowledge and technique for the entrance exsams to business, engineering, medical and paramedical courses. They are private and expensive. Quite e number of students take this sort of course more than once before getting a place, or not, as the case may be.

In the past, some similar set up did exist in England, generally for students who had not required the A-level grades they needed to get into a particular college or university. The aim was to cram in lots of exam technique training to improve grades and then sit the A-levels again. These were called "crammer colleges", and still exist. However, much less common as a rule in England as unversity entrance is done differently.





http://www.hec.fr/


http://www.hec.edu/content/advancedsearch?SubTreeArray[]=98&SubTreeArray[]=99&SearchText=preparatory


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/ar...

From The Times
August 19, 2004
A degree of investment pays for the future
Tony Halpin, Education Editor, assesses the value of going to university as higher fees loom and colleges take in many more students

Degrees, tuition fees and student debt have been debated as never before this year, with the Government’s university reforms giving higher education an unprecedented public profile. But today’s A-level results are what really count for many of the 450,000 people seeking university places.
On past form, about three-quarters of applicants will find that they have qualified for one of their two preferred universities. An additional 35,000 — about one in 11 entrants — will get in through the “clearing” system that matches students without places to universities with course vacancies. At least 30,000 will opt to take a gap year before resuming their studies next autumn.
This guide aims to offer useful information to all three groups. There is advice on surviving freshers’ week and on coping with the workload in an environment that most students will find very different from school. We also offer tips on finding accommodation and surviving financially while still enjoying a social life.
For “gappers” — intentional or otherwise — there is information about the wealth of opportunities available and how to make the most of your year out. There is also advice about finding the right “crammer” college for students who need to improve their grades for a renewed application to university.



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My main personal reservation about 'crammer' is that it might be outdated and they are certainly not a common as French prépa. Never the less, a fair number of people I have known to go on prépa courses don't make it either, or repeat the course once or twice before getting through. In the UK, I have had quite a few friends go to crammer colleges to get the grades for an OxBridge entrance.

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Note added at 10 hrs (2009-06-04 07:41:24 GMT)
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"Prépa" à la française and the UK "crammer"s I agree are close but not totally comparable as each is quite tuned in to its own educational history and culture.

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Note added at 10 hrs (2009-06-04 07:49:45 GMT)
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Probably is best to avoid "carmmer", the French prépa being so, well, so French !

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Note added at 18 hrs (2009-06-04 16:06:37 GMT)
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My reservation about my suggestion of "crammer" is too distant, too English specific to be of any use here. Scrub that one!
However, I maintain my "preparatory course for the HEC business school entrance exam".

JLSJR has very helpfully pointed out that lycées run préparatory classes, quite different from anything you might find in the UK. Private schools do not have the exclusivity over these preparatory classes.

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Note added at 18 hrs (2009-06-04 16:08:53 GMT)
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Here the term remains in French :

http://prepas.org/english.htm
What is a "classe préparatoire aux grandes écoles" ?



A French specific two years undergraduate programme leading to a nation-wide competitive examination into a French "Grande ecole".

The programme includes high level courses in :

mathematics, physics, chimistry, computer and engineering sciences, as well as humanities (foreign languages and philosophy) in a scientific class;

mathematics, humanities, history, geography and economics in a management class;

a lot of humanities, history, geography in a arts class.



Glossary :

TIPE : pratical initiation to research methodology and communication.

Grandes ecoles : France's leading schools in engineering, management...


Peer comment(s):

agree Sheila Wilson : However, I don't agree with the use of 'crammer' - there is no suggestion that students on this course are below-standard, in fact the opposite is true
6 hrs
I see what you mean, but have a look at my additional note.
agree Anne-Marie Grant (X) : with Sheila re. the use of 'crammer' though
7 hrs
I see what you mean, but have a look at my additional note.
agree Emma Paulay : I don't think "crammer" is appropriate either. The course is obligatory - you can't take the exam if you haven't done the "prépa".//My point is that you can take the Oxbridge exam without a crammer course but you can't go straight from the bac to
7 hrs
Ah? Are you absolutely sure about that? I can't find anything to confirm that on the HEC website, nor on the site "letudiant.fr"
disagree Jean-Louis S. : A prepa for HEC is a 2 years long full-time program... And it "prepares" for more than HEC, the school, but all other business schools. It is usually public and mostly free.
14 hrs
I agree that the English "crammer" is too distant to the French prépas to be used here. Yes, the "classes prépas" are run by some lycées. http://aphec.it-sudparis.eu/ "Crammer" is to be scrubbed as a suggestion, the rest of the suggestion still stands.
agree katat222 : A prepa is a highly selective course. Students need to be selected after highschool and the selection is very difficult. Only very intelligent students can get in. Most prépa are public and financed by the French state. Some prepa (HEC) are private
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(French) Business School Preparatory Course

Classe Preparatoire aux Hautes Etudes Commerciales
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=341967
Note from asker:
Thank you, I needed it short and sweet, without too many details.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

HEC

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hautes_études_commerciales_(Par...

I won't post an answer as I'm not sure of the correct terminology, but I think this is a preparatory year (?) in which French students prepare for the very competitive entry to one of the prestigious Hautes Écoles.

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Yes, sorry - i just realised you were French! We don't have this system in GB so have no direct equivalent, but either jlsjr's suggestion or 'preparatory year for entry to Business School' would do fine, I think.
Note from asker:
Yes that's right, it is a preparatory year, but I wonder what the standard translation/common terminology is in English
Peer comments on this reference comment:

neutral Emma Paulay : It's a preparatory course, but it is now 2 years long.
10 hrs
agree katat222 : Yes prépa is a highly selective course state financed for highly clever students. It is 2 yrs long and prepares you for entrance exams in the most prestigious French (state and private) universities/schools (grandes écoles) like vet, maths, physics, law,
4766 days
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Reference:

No prépa, no HEC

This link is for admission to HEC itself but the ESC are the same. The prépa course is now 2 years long (because most people took two years to get a school anyway) and is an official Bac+2.

You can get into an ESC without a prépa, but you have to have another bac+2.

There are écoles de commerce where you don't need to do a prépa, you go straight from the bac - but they're not part of the ESC (HEC) network.
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