Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
foyer pulmonaire et aortique
English translation:
aortic and pulmonic areas
Added to glossary by
Heather Phillips
Mar 20, 2009 11:58
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foyer pulmonaire et aortique
French to English
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Medical: Cardiology
hospital report
The patient has normal heart noises, "souffle systolique au foyer pulmonaire et aortique" - systolic murmur, but I'm not sure of what exactly the "foyer" is. Thanks for your help!
Proposed translations
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| 4 | aortic and pulmonary vein vestibule |
David Sánchez Villada
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| 5 +5 | pulmonic and aortic areas |
SJLD
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Change log
Mar 25, 2009 11:39: Heather Phillips changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/90200">Heather Phillips's</a> old entry - "foyer pulmonaire et aortique"" to ""aortic and pulmonary vein vestibule""
Proposed translations
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aortic and pulmonary vein vestibule
aortic v. — a small space at the root of the aorta.
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Note added at 4 days (2009-03-25 10:11:48 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks Heather!!
Have a nice day.
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Thanks Heather!!
Have a nice day.
Note from asker:
| Sorry David, Dr. Sue Levy corrected me on this and apparently it should be "pulmonic and aortic areas". |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Absolutely, many hits for pulmonary vein vestibule ablation, which is precisely what is involved here. Many thanks."
+5
16 mins
pulmonic and aortic areas
http://sprojects.mmi.mcgill.ca/mvs/CARDIO01.HTM
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Palpate the 4 auscultatory areas with the patient in supine position:
1) LV area: apex of the heart at 4th or 5th intercostal space (ICS) along MCL
2) RV area: 3rd to 5th ICS along the left sternal border (LSB)
3) pulmonic area: 2nd ICS along the LSB
4) aortic area: 2nd ICS along the right sternal border (RSB)
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"Area" is not at all vague when qualified by pulmonic and aortic - it is exactly the term used by cardiologists when describing auscultation.
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"foyer pulmonaire et aortique" has absolutely nothing to do with the "pulmonary vein vestibule", which you will notice gets only 182 google hits, most of which refer to an article about "pulmonary vein vestibule ablation" for atrial fribrillation, written by Italian authors. "Pulmonary vein vestibule" is not an English medical expression, and is certainly totally irrelevant in your context, which is the auscultation of the heart in a clinical examination.
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See diagram of the "foyers" here:
http://e.carabin.free.fr/pcem2/roneo/eiacardio/semio/cardios...
Compare with this is English:
http://sprojects.mmi.mcgill.ca/mvs/CARDIO01.HTM
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Moreover, the "foyer pulmonaire" concerns the pulmonary artery and not the vein. Murmurs associated with the pulmonary valve are transmitted via the artery to the pulmonic area.
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Note added at 18 mins (2009-03-20 12:16:37 GMT)
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Palpate the 4 auscultatory areas with the patient in supine position:
1) LV area: apex of the heart at 4th or 5th intercostal space (ICS) along MCL
2) RV area: 3rd to 5th ICS along the left sternal border (LSB)
3) pulmonic area: 2nd ICS along the LSB
4) aortic area: 2nd ICS along the right sternal border (RSB)
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Note added at 4 days (2009-03-25 10:28:43 GMT) Post-grading
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"Area" is not at all vague when qualified by pulmonic and aortic - it is exactly the term used by cardiologists when describing auscultation.
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Note added at 4 days (2009-03-25 11:16:10 GMT) Post-grading
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"foyer pulmonaire et aortique" has absolutely nothing to do with the "pulmonary vein vestibule", which you will notice gets only 182 google hits, most of which refer to an article about "pulmonary vein vestibule ablation" for atrial fribrillation, written by Italian authors. "Pulmonary vein vestibule" is not an English medical expression, and is certainly totally irrelevant in your context, which is the auscultation of the heart in a clinical examination.
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Note added at 4 days (2009-03-25 11:30:27 GMT) Post-grading
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See diagram of the "foyers" here:
http://e.carabin.free.fr/pcem2/roneo/eiacardio/semio/cardios...
Compare with this is English:
http://sprojects.mmi.mcgill.ca/mvs/CARDIO01.HTM
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Note added at 4 days (2009-03-25 11:36:24 GMT) Post-grading
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Moreover, the "foyer pulmonaire" concerns the pulmonary artery and not the vein. Murmurs associated with the pulmonary valve are transmitted via the artery to the pulmonic area.
Note from asker:
| Many thanks SJLD, but I went for David's "pulmonary vein vestibule" as I found many hits for "pulmonary vein vestibule ablation" for the condition discussed in this document. I think "area" is just a bit vague in a document used for cardiologists. |
| But definitely vaguer than "vestibule", I think you would have to agree. Many thanks again for your contribution. |
| Sorry SJLD, I have changed the glossary entry to reflect your suggestion based on information from Dr. Levy and the reference link (diagram) you sent me. Thanks again. |
Peer comment(s):
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Anne C
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thanks Anne :-)
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Michael Lotz
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thanks Michael :-)
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liz askew
: Mayo Clinic cardiology: concise textbook - Google Books Result by Joseph G. Murphy, Margaret A. Lloyd, Mayo Clinic - 2006 - Medical - 1580 pages Such murmurs can be heard at the aortic area, left sternal border, or apex. ... systolic murmur may originate
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thanks Liz :-)
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Angela Dickson (X)
: yup, it helps to be able to visualise what the doc is doing here - listening in various spots
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it does indeed :-) Thanks Angela
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thanks :-)
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