Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
testament spirituel
English translation:
spiritual testament
Added to glossary by
Scott de Lesseps
Mar 5, 2003 17:29
21 yrs ago
French term
testament spirituel
French to English
Art/Literary
Religion
Religious
Deux fêtes mariales rythment le chemin spirituel des Filles de la Charité : le 25 mars, renouvellement des vœux en la fête de l’Annonciation et le 8 décembre, renouvellement de l’oblation à Marie en la fête de l’Immaculée Conception.
Les derniers mots du testament spirituel laissé par Louise expriment ainsi son cœur : « … et priez bien la Sainte Vierge qu’elle soit votre Unique Mère.» Dans leur prière du chapelet, l'invocation : « Très Sainte Vierge, je crois et confesse votre sainte et immaculée conception » termine chaque dizaine.
Need help with all of second sentence please. Thanks!
Les derniers mots du testament spirituel laissé par Louise expriment ainsi son cœur : « … et priez bien la Sainte Vierge qu’elle soit votre Unique Mère.» Dans leur prière du chapelet, l'invocation : « Très Sainte Vierge, je crois et confesse votre sainte et immaculée conception » termine chaque dizaine.
Need help with all of second sentence please. Thanks!
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The last words of the spiritual testament Louise left [us] tell us what was in her heart
[or : the core of her faith] : "...and pray earnestly to the Holy Virgin that she might become your Own Mother."
Gyale's "spiritual legacy" is the essence of it, but Francis' use of "testament" has got to be correct, because we clearly are dealing with a *written* text here.
I've never heard of such a thing, but apparently there are these *written* texts in which a person sums up his/her life's work, in this case the spiritual "legacy" of a professed nun.
Neither the Big Robert nor the Trésor know this phrase, but there are :
--Testament Politique : écrit politique posthume attribué a un homme d'Etat, exposé de ses principes et projects politiques, explication de ses actes, ete. Le T.P. de Richelieu, de Pierre le Grand, etc.
--T. Artistique : Derniere oeuvre d'un artiste, quand elle apparait comme la supreme expression de sa pensée et de son art.
Since the term "spiritual testament" is not a common one in English (to my knowledge), I'd suggest leaving it in quotes, unless there's something in the text which explains exactly what it is.
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Bruce Popp brings up a good point, and I now agree that what we are dealing with here, in this particular case, is probably not a specific, purpose-written, autobiographical \"testament\" (summation of her beliefs), but rather a collection of the sort he suggests : some writings by the Holy Lady, together with all sorts of other materials collected by her followers (perhaps with a view to forming a \"dossier\" for a canonization proceeding.
We are in Hagiographic Territory, after all.
But I like \"testament\" as a kind of technical term, rather than \"legacy,\" which seems to me to be a bit too vague.
The problem is that the term \"testament spirituel/spiritual testament\" either doesn\'t exist or is not commonly understood.
The disadvantage of the \"last will and testament\" association is, I believe, sufficiently overcome by the unusual juxtaposition of \"spirtual\" with \"testament.\"
Gyale's "spiritual legacy" is the essence of it, but Francis' use of "testament" has got to be correct, because we clearly are dealing with a *written* text here.
I've never heard of such a thing, but apparently there are these *written* texts in which a person sums up his/her life's work, in this case the spiritual "legacy" of a professed nun.
Neither the Big Robert nor the Trésor know this phrase, but there are :
--Testament Politique : écrit politique posthume attribué a un homme d'Etat, exposé de ses principes et projects politiques, explication de ses actes, ete. Le T.P. de Richelieu, de Pierre le Grand, etc.
--T. Artistique : Derniere oeuvre d'un artiste, quand elle apparait comme la supreme expression de sa pensée et de son art.
Since the term "spiritual testament" is not a common one in English (to my knowledge), I'd suggest leaving it in quotes, unless there's something in the text which explains exactly what it is.
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Note added at 2003-03-10 15:44:57 (GMT) Post-grading
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Bruce Popp brings up a good point, and I now agree that what we are dealing with here, in this particular case, is probably not a specific, purpose-written, autobiographical \"testament\" (summation of her beliefs), but rather a collection of the sort he suggests : some writings by the Holy Lady, together with all sorts of other materials collected by her followers (perhaps with a view to forming a \"dossier\" for a canonization proceeding.
We are in Hagiographic Territory, after all.
But I like \"testament\" as a kind of technical term, rather than \"legacy,\" which seems to me to be a bit too vague.
The problem is that the term \"testament spirituel/spiritual testament\" either doesn\'t exist or is not commonly understood.
The disadvantage of the \"last will and testament\" association is, I believe, sufficiently overcome by the unusual juxtaposition of \"spirtual\" with \"testament.\"
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to everyone for your help. I agree that the text seems to be referring to something >>written<<, so that's why I went with this answer. I hadn't heard the term "spiritual testament" in English before either, but the references give support for it.
Scott"
4 mins
the spiritual heritage
that's the best way to refer to "testament spirituel"
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8 mins
spiritual legacy
I would translate it this way:
The last words that were left in Louise's spiritual legacy spoke from her heart: "..."
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www.csicop.org/q/book/0785278885 - 44k
The last words that were left in Louise's spiritual legacy spoke from her heart: "..."
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Note added at 2003-03-05 17:41:46 (GMT)
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www.csicop.org/q/book/0785278885 - 44k
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Bruce Popp
49 mins
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Thank you Bruce.
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agree |
cjohnstone
57 mins
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Thank you.
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agree |
Jean-Gabriel Piette
5 hrs
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Thanks.
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14 mins
spiritual testament
I've changed my answer ...(thnaks to Gayle)
Father James A. Black Spiritual Testament. - [ Traduire cette page ]
Spiritual Testament. Finally, there is one most blessed item in my life
that must be mentioned. Since ordination, I've had the assignment ...
www.fatherryan.org/father_black/SPIRITUA.HTM - 2k - En cache - Pages similaires
A Spiritual Testament, Kovno, 1867 - [ Traduire cette page ]
... open in a new window). A Spiritual Testament, Kovno, 1867. Certificate
Price: 20 silver kopecks [seal] No. 124 The Kovno Rabbinate ...
www.jhsns.org/Dembo_will.html - 12k - En cache - Pages similaires
Lessons from the Fathers - Spiritual Testament of St. Seraphim of ... - [ Traduire cette page ]
"It came from Me" -- spiritual testament of St. ... After St. Seraphim of Vyritsa’s
repose, the following document, his "spiritual testament," was published: ...
www.stjohndc.org/stjohndc/English/Fathers/0112d.htm - 9k - En cache - Pages similaires
Lessons from the Fathers - Spiritual Testament of St. Seraphim of ... - [ Traduire cette page ]
Lessons from the Fathers - Spiritual Testament of St. ... Seraphim of Vyritsa’s repose,
the following document, his “spiritual testament,” was published: ...
www.stjohndc.org/fathers/0112d.htm - 16k
Father James A. Black Spiritual Testament. - [ Traduire cette page ]
Spiritual Testament. Finally, there is one most blessed item in my life
that must be mentioned. Since ordination, I've had the assignment ...
www.fatherryan.org/father_black/SPIRITUA.HTM - 2k - En cache - Pages similaires
A Spiritual Testament, Kovno, 1867 - [ Traduire cette page ]
... open in a new window). A Spiritual Testament, Kovno, 1867. Certificate
Price: 20 silver kopecks [seal] No. 124 The Kovno Rabbinate ...
www.jhsns.org/Dembo_will.html - 12k - En cache - Pages similaires
Lessons from the Fathers - Spiritual Testament of St. Seraphim of ... - [ Traduire cette page ]
"It came from Me" -- spiritual testament of St. ... After St. Seraphim of Vyritsa’s
repose, the following document, his "spiritual testament," was published: ...
www.stjohndc.org/stjohndc/English/Fathers/0112d.htm - 9k - En cache - Pages similaires
Lessons from the Fathers - Spiritual Testament of St. Seraphim of ... - [ Traduire cette page ]
Lessons from the Fathers - Spiritual Testament of St. ... Seraphim of Vyritsa’s repose,
the following document, his “spiritual testament,” was published: ...
www.stjohndc.org/fathers/0112d.htm - 16k
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56 mins
second sentence
I assume that Louise is Louise de Marrillac a founder of the Daughter's of Charity. See a link to their web site below.
The second link is to a biography of Louise that includes this relevant quote "I continue to ask God for His blessings...Pray earnestly to the Blessed Virgin that she may be your only Mother."
So this is my translation:
The last words of the spiritual legacy left by Louise expresses her heart this way: "... and pray earnestly to the Blessed Virgin that she may be your only Mother." In praying the rosary, they end each decade with the invocation "Most Holy Virgin, I believe and confess your holiness and immaculate conception."
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Note added at 2003-03-05 18:31:22 (GMT)
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On legacy versus testament:
I chose legacy because I suspect that this statement is part of a collection of writings, quotes, sayings and annecdotes that were collected and handed down. Likely she did not have a testament (as in \"last will and testament\"), rather she had some corpus of work that is a legacy to following generatiosn of her order.
The second link is to a biography of Louise that includes this relevant quote "I continue to ask God for His blessings...Pray earnestly to the Blessed Virgin that she may be your only Mother."
So this is my translation:
The last words of the spiritual legacy left by Louise expresses her heart this way: "... and pray earnestly to the Blessed Virgin that she may be your only Mother." In praying the rosary, they end each decade with the invocation "Most Holy Virgin, I believe and confess your holiness and immaculate conception."
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Note added at 2003-03-05 18:31:22 (GMT)
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On legacy versus testament:
I chose legacy because I suspect that this statement is part of a collection of writings, quotes, sayings and annecdotes that were collected and handed down. Likely she did not have a testament (as in \"last will and testament\"), rather she had some corpus of work that is a legacy to following generatiosn of her order.
Reference:
http://www.doc-ecp.org/core.asp
http://www.secretariadojmv.org/inter/santos/english/louise_de_marillac_in.htm
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Christopher Crockett
: I agree that what we are dealing with here is probably not a specific, purpose-written "testament" (summation of her beliefs), but rather a collection. But I like "testament" as a kind of technical term, rather than the more vague "legacy."
4 days
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thanks
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5 hrs
Spiritual Last Will
spiritual last will and testament
... If you drafted a spiritual "last will and testament" for your friends,
what would you say? This page was last updated on 07/06/01.
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Spiritual Will
SPIRITUAL LAST WILL
Ce sont ses dernières volontés spirituelles
testament au sens de what she wants her daughters to do and be spiritually.
spiritual legacy would be héritage spirituel - what she left us that we use and share spiritually - this is not expressed here
testament by itself does not sound right with spiritual
... If you drafted a spiritual "last will and testament" for your friends,
what would you say? This page was last updated on 07/06/01.
www.geocities.com/ekklesia2/Interests/Christianity/ Devotionals/October15th.htm - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
William Shakespeare's Catholicism
... The document, which has become known as John Shakespeare's Spiritual Last Will
and Testament, passed from Hart and Moseley to a local alderman, on to the ...
www.englishhistory.info/Shakespeare/ shakespeares-catholicism.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages
An Excerpt From Martin Luther's Spiritual Last Will & Testament
What Would Martin Luther Say? An Excerpt From Martin Luther's Spiritual
Last Will & Testament. CONFESSION CONCERNING CHRIST'S SUPPER (1528). ...
thelutheran.net/editorial/quote.htm - 3k - Cached - Similar pages
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Spiritual Will
SPIRITUAL LAST WILL
Ce sont ses dernières volontés spirituelles
testament au sens de what she wants her daughters to do and be spiritually.
spiritual legacy would be héritage spirituel - what she left us that we use and share spiritually - this is not expressed here
testament by itself does not sound right with spiritual
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