Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
novice
English translation:
ship's apprentice
French term
novice
This 74-gun ship has "mousses et novices" - the "mousses" I believe are the ship's boys. Could the "novices" be apprentices of some kind?
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Proposed translations
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B. MAR. Apprenti matelot, de seize à dix-huit ans.
"Yves était alors un enfant de seize ans. On me dit qu'il allait passer novice après deux années de mousse" (LOTI, Mon frère Yves, 1883, p.41).
"C'est peut-être un usage dans la marine de brimer les novices. Mais je voyage comme passager et j'estime avoir droit à des égards" (AUDIBERTI, Quoat, 1946, 1er tabl., p.22).
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Note added at 42 mins (2008-04-24 15:04:28 GMT)
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Source: TLF
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Note added at 1 hr (2008-04-24 16:07:48 GMT)
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some dictionaries give 'apprentice' for 'mousse' as well as 'boy' and 'cabin boy' (mousse de chambre), in your place I would translate thus:
mousse = ship's boy
novice = ship's apprentice
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Note added at 1 hr (2008-04-24 16:14:29 GMT)
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yes, 'apprentice seamen' rather than 'apprentice officer', the latter was called a 'midshipman' (aspirant)
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ormiston
: I mean I agree with apprentice seaman don't see why they have to be minors given this quote
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ah well, thanks anyway :-)
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www.frenchlines.com/metiers/bibliographie.php - 18k -
soit il vient d'une école d'apprentissage maritime ou assimilée, Marine Marchande (il habite Rouen), ou est embarqué comme novice, Marine Marchande toujours ...
pages14-18.mesdiscussions.net/.../marine-1914-1918/navigation-compagnie-mascara-sujet_491_1.htm - 91k
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ormiston
: 'apprentice seamen' existsGRAFT AT NAVAL STATION.; Apprentice Seamen Forced to Pay $5 Each ...- [ Traduire cette page ]Apprentice Seamen Forced to Pay $5 Each for Sea Detail. NORFOLK, Va., July 3. -A naval court of inquiry has concluded its hearing InI th
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Thank you.
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Miranda Joubioux (X)
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Thank you Miranda.
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Graham macLachlan
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Thank you Graham
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