Jun 26, 2005 14:58
18 yrs ago
French term

garrigue de cuir chaud

French to English Other Wine / Oenology / Viticulture Wine Description
"des arômes intenses et complexes de ***garrigue*** de cuir chaud et d’épices"

Red wine.

Rough leather?

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Jun 27, 2005:
Fair enough - the heat must be getting to me! ;-) Need air conditioning to get work done between 10 and 10 in this weather! (Still, beats 15 and overcast in Dublin any time!)
Helen Genevier Jun 27, 2005:
I was only joking about being offended :-) just trying to say that garrigue can be a very beautiful Mediterranean vegetation type, scented evergreen shrubs and trees on limestone hills, more typically Languedoc and Provence I'd say than Toulouse.
Non-ProZ.com Jun 27, 2005:
Garrigue is also the area between Carcassone and Toulouse, right? Looked like, well, scruffy scrubland to me. If you like it that's completely up to you - I'm not telling other people what they should like, I'm just expressing an opinion.
Helen Genevier Jun 27, 2005:
I'm a bit miffed by your anti-garrigue remarks. I live in a garrigue area (Pic St Loup in the H�rault) and it's fantastic- I won't comment on the Toulouse suburbs that you took for garrigue ;-)
Non-ProZ.com Jun 26, 2005:
Evocative of the local garrigue landscape???
Non-ProZ.com Jun 26, 2005:
Scrubland just doesn't do it for me in English - why do the French have a romanticised notion of scrubland - paintings, farming, etc.?

I've been through the area myself on the way to Toulouse and I can't say that I found it particularly inspiring.

Bourth - my last drop of wine ever has passed my lips, on your advice.
Sandra C. Jun 26, 2005:
you can keep garrigue, it's more poetic in FR
Non-ProZ.com Jun 26, 2005:
Yes, looks like it - but I was given the text without the comma there.

So it's scrubland? Tastes/smells of scrubland - nice!!!
Sandra C. Jun 26, 2005:
a coma is missing after garrigue

Proposed translations

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intense and complex aromas of garrigue (scrubland), warm leather, and spices

intense and complex aromas of garrigue (scrubland), warm leather, and spices

just a punctuation problem
Peer comment(s):

agree Bourth (X) : Except to me it makes it sound more like an aftershave (English Leather and Old Spice)!
1 hr
yes, you're right!
agree Francis MARC
1 hr
merci
agree Rachel Davenport : I agree and also with Bourth!
3 hrs
merci!
agree Clare Macnamara
3 hrs
merci
agree Elizabeth Lyons : This is a great description; garrigue in the USA can be described as chaparral or pine barrens. These two maintain its romantic and windswept, wild sense, in my opinion, that goes well with your poetic description here.
241 days
merci Liz!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks Sandra et al!"
8 mins

hot leathery maquis

but not very flattering I should think?
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1 hr

From memory

someone asked a similar question about "garrigue" and wine. At the time I suggested that it reflected the smell of hot greasy wool, goats droppings, and Manon's shampoo wafting across the rosemary and lavander.

My memory is close, but not exact. See
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/933506#answ_2275881

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Note added at 1 hr 4 mins (2005-06-26 16:03:30 GMT)
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Seriously, I\'d leave \"garrigue\". Anyone who doesn\'t know what it means doesn\'t deserve to be drinking the wine.
Peer comment(s):

agree Clare Macnamara : ... with the last bit and the first bit's such a hoot! Thanks for the laugh!
2 hrs
agree Helen Genevier : I'd leave "garrigue" too - aromas of the resinous trees/shrubs that grow there - rosemary, juniper, thyme, cade - not the land
15 hrs
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earthiness (or green aromas), leather and spice

This is following the suggestion of scrubland - ok, it's better than swampland I guess ;-) but if they are trying to capture the notion of earthy aromas, or green aromas - it depends, I guess, have you tried the product? ;-)))
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