Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
Сфинкс, не разгаданный до гроба
English translation:
The Sphynx who took his secret to the grave
Added to glossary by
Andrew Vdovin
Jan 1, 2006 18:05
18 yrs ago
Russian term
Сфинкс, не разгаданный до гроба
Russian to English
Art/Literary
Religion
Легендарного русского императора Александра I, ставшего впоследствии Феодором Козмичем, именовали в истории двора "Сфинксом, не разгаданным до гроба".
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a Sphynx who took his mystery to the grave
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Blithe
: The Sphynx who took his secret to the grave. http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/11/2004/hm11_6_48.htm...
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I like that!
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Dorene Cornwell
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Thanks!
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John Sowerby
: Preferably: The Sphinx, etc.
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Thank you. Could a simile be used here to account for the definite article?
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Alla Tatyants
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Thank you
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
: it is Sph-i-nx, and it is "she" in English (monster with woman's head and lion's body),so using 'HIS secret' here looks quite clumsy [to me, sorry]. My reference: Oxford Dictionary
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Thank you
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Dimitri Todika
: You can try "The Sphinx who took IT'S mystery/secret to the grave" in order to avoid gender confusions :)
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Thank you, I am not all that sure "its" is better than "her"... but probably better than "his" :)
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Kirill Semenov
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you for your help Mikhail! I'm still not sure about the 'his/her' matter, though.
Thanks everybody!!!"
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...who (lived and) died an enigma
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Mikhail Kropotov
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David Knowles
: I prefer this, provided the slightly awkward Sphynx imagery is not important
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Kirill Semenov
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Sphynx whose mystery has never been solved (cleared) up to the end
Famous Ghosts
... showed and the concrete seal was undisturbed. The governor ordered the coffins removed and the vault left open; the mystery has never been solved. ...
ghosts.monstrous.com/famous_ghosts.htm
Casebook: Jack the Ripper - Frederick News - 20 November 1888
Pinkerton's detectives worked on the case for a long time, but finally abandoned ... was found dead by the roadside, and the mystery has never been cleared. ...
www.casebook.org/press_reports/ frederick_news/881120.html
... showed and the concrete seal was undisturbed. The governor ordered the coffins removed and the vault left open; the mystery has never been solved. ...
ghosts.monstrous.com/famous_ghosts.htm
Casebook: Jack the Ripper - Frederick News - 20 November 1888
Pinkerton's detectives worked on the case for a long time, but finally abandoned ... was found dead by the roadside, and the mystery has never been cleared. ...
www.casebook.org/press_reports/ frederick_news/881120.html
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Peter Shortall
: Agree with "whose" (cleverly avoids "he/she" issue) and "solved", though see also my entry below. >>Yes. Happy New Year to you too!
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Thank you for your opinion, Peter! Happy 2006! Read your ref. It's just a matter of preferences, I consider 'mystery' & 'enigma' as words with root-based adjectives ('riddle' is not :), and tense usage (Pres. Perf. vs Past) is specified by the rendering.
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a sphinx with mystery unsolved
Не знаю... по-моему, оно и звучать должно как-то складно, сообразно русскому варианту.
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
: абсолютно согласен. С Новым годом!
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Мерси. Вам того же года!
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Mikhail Kropotov
: звучит как раз нескладно ++ Не знаю, у вас 8 слогов, в оригинале 10. Но Вы правы, я говорил про суть - в Вашем варианте слово mystery не связано со словом sphynx, не имеет к нему отношения
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Вот опять! Один абсолютно согласен, другой - абсолютно НЕсогласен. Диалектика, однако. Но вы, по-моему, просто не поняли. Ямбом я собачу здесь, ямбом.
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(He was like) the Sphynx whose riddle was never solved to the end of her life.
(He was like) the Sphynx whose riddle was never solved to the end of her life.
Please note that the Sphynx in English is in the feminine gender.
"The Sphynx of ancient mythology was a legendary figure who leapt to
her death after Oedipus had correctly solved a difficult riddle she
had set him. The riddle was this: What animal walks on four legs
in the morning, two at noon, and three in the evening? The answer
is Man (as a baby, as an adult, and as an elderly person with a
stick)."
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Note added at 4 hrs 12 mins (2006-01-01 22:18:01 GMT)
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A little bit too much descriptive a rendition but hopefully it gives a clearer idea of the comparison having been made. :)
Please note that the Sphynx in English is in the feminine gender.
"The Sphynx of ancient mythology was a legendary figure who leapt to
her death after Oedipus had correctly solved a difficult riddle she
had set him. The riddle was this: What animal walks on four legs
in the morning, two at noon, and three in the evening? The answer
is Man (as a baby, as an adult, and as an elderly person with a
stick)."
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Note added at 4 hrs 12 mins (2006-01-01 22:18:01 GMT)
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A little bit too much descriptive a rendition but hopefully it gives a clearer idea of the comparison having been made. :)
1 day 1 hr
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NFG сфинкс может быть и мужского рода
В греческой мифологии сфинкс женского рода, а в египетской - мужского. Как мне кажется, Александра сравнивали скорее с египетским сфинксом.
sphinx (sfĭngks) , mythical beast of ancient Egypt, frequently symbolizing the pharaoh as an incarnation of the sun god Ra. The sphinx was represented in sculpture usually in a recumbent position with ***the head of a man*** and the body of a lion, although some were constructed with rams' heads and others with hawks' heads. Thousands of sphinxes were built in ancient Egypt; the most famous is the Great Sphinx at Giza, a colossal figure sculptured out of natural rock, near the pyramid of Khafre. It was considered by the ancients one of the Seven Wonders of the World.
Sphinxes, however, were not peculiar to Egypt; represented in various shapes and forms, they were common throughout the ancient Middle East and Greece. In Greek mythology and art the Sphinx was a winged monster with the head and breasts of a woman and the body of a lion. In the legend of Oedipus she acts as a destructive agent of the gods, posing the riddle of the three ages of man: “What walks on four feet in the morning, on two at noon, and on three in the evening?” She killed all who failed to answer her question until Oedipus solved the riddle by saying, “Man crawls on all fours as a baby, walks upright in the prime of life, and uses a staff in old age.” The Sphinx then killed herself
http://www.answers.com/sphinx
sphinx (sfĭngks) , mythical beast of ancient Egypt, frequently symbolizing the pharaoh as an incarnation of the sun god Ra. The sphinx was represented in sculpture usually in a recumbent position with ***the head of a man*** and the body of a lion, although some were constructed with rams' heads and others with hawks' heads. Thousands of sphinxes were built in ancient Egypt; the most famous is the Great Sphinx at Giza, a colossal figure sculptured out of natural rock, near the pyramid of Khafre. It was considered by the ancients one of the Seven Wonders of the World.
Sphinxes, however, were not peculiar to Egypt; represented in various shapes and forms, they were common throughout the ancient Middle East and Greece. In Greek mythology and art the Sphinx was a winged monster with the head and breasts of a woman and the body of a lion. In the legend of Oedipus she acts as a destructive agent of the gods, posing the riddle of the three ages of man: “What walks on four feet in the morning, on two at noon, and on three in the evening?” She killed all who failed to answer her question until Oedipus solved the riddle by saying, “Man crawls on all fours as a baby, walks upright in the prime of life, and uses a staff in old age.” The Sphinx then killed herself
http://www.answers.com/sphinx
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
: Re:Александра сравнивали скорее с египетским сфинксом - загадки-то задавал как-раз греческий сфинкс, а в контексте как-раз о загадке.
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сам сфинкс является загадкой, даже говорят "загадочный сфинкс"
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Russian term (edited):
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Sphinx whose riddle was never solved
The Sphinx was famed for her riddle, not "mystery" so I feel this is a more appropriate word. The use of "whose" neatly sidesteps the issue of the Sphinx's masculinity/femininity too.
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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs 46 mins (2006-01-02 23:52:22 GMT)
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Or "whose riddle went with/followed her to the grave" if you prefer, though this brings up the thorny "him/her" issue again!
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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs 46 mins (2006-01-02 23:52:22 GMT)
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Or "whose riddle went with/followed her to the grave" if you prefer, though this brings up the thorny "him/her" issue again!
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