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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

ancrage dans le sol

English translation:

socially withdrawn/ (still not) fully integrated into class or classwork

Added to glossary by Peter Field
Aug 13, 2020 11:00
3 yrs ago
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French term

ancrage dans le sol

French to English Social Sciences General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters school report
'La posture manque encore d’ancrage dans le sol.' The sentence comes from a boy's school report.
Proposed translations (English)
4 socially withdrawn/ (still not) fully integrated into class or classwork
4 is not yet fully grounded
3 +1 [still not] firmly established
3 engaged with life
3 he's not really with it
3 grounding in reality
3 (His) attitude and engagement still lack a firm grounding/foundation
References
fwiw/hth (found on Google)
What is "posture scolaire" anyway?
Change log

Aug 13, 2020 11:05: Peter Field changed "Field (write-in)" from "Fancy dishes and desserts" to "(none)"

Aug 13, 2020 11:19: writeaway changed "Field" from "Art/Literary" to "Social Sciences" , "Field (write-in)" from "(none)" to "school report"

Discussion

B D Finch Aug 13, 2020:
@Asker Looking at the context you've added, it doesn't necessarily mean that his head was in the clouds. Being withdrawn and reluctant to speak isn't always associated with daydreaming.
Yvonne Gallagher Aug 13, 2020:
@ Asker @polyglot Thanks for context. "Grounded" seems a good fit OR "still not sufficiently/fully integrated into the class (or classwork)"
philgoddard Aug 13, 2020:
If you want to put "grounded", polyglot45, it would get my vote. I think it's literal - it's not that his head is in the clouds, his body language lacks confidence.
Peter Field (asker) Aug 13, 2020:
Context The comment is referring to his attitude to class work. He has previously been described as being somewhat withdrawn in the classroom and reluctant to speak up without being prompted. The teacher further states that his diction and articulation need attention. The line following the one I quoted states that the lad still keeps himself to himself but is joining in a little more.
I agree with Yvonne that Polyglot could well be right.
B D Finch Aug 13, 2020:
Context The translation should probably take into account what is referred to by "La posture".
Yvonne Gallagher Aug 13, 2020:
@ Asker Context? Glad to see you changed the field but it would be good to know where this sentence comes in the report. Polyglot could be right
polyglot45 Aug 13, 2020:
Basically his head is still up in the clouds, though you do talk of people being "grounded", this boy not being sufficiently grounded
Peter Field (asker) Aug 13, 2020:
Sorry, I did not mean to class the field as 'Fancy dishes and desserts.' Peter Field. Just corrected the gaffe!

Proposed translations

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socially withdrawn/ (still not) fully integrated into class or classwork

I thought polyglot's "grounded" would work but not so sure now as the child rather seems to be

lacking in social interaction

socially withdrawn raher than lack of grounding.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3800115/

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The child's demeanour is lacking in social interaction

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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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engaged with life

A suggestion - 'he does not seem fully engaged with school life'. Implies that he is holding back and not committing himself completely.
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he's not really with it

Given what we now know and what we still don't know, and as it's a teacher's remark, I think this covers it all pretty nicely.
I was going to say "out of it" but that can be related to drugs and seems a tad too strong for me anyway
Reference:

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/not+with+it

Peer comment(s):
neutral Yvonne Gallagher : as a former teacher I would never write this in a school report. Far too informal and negative
1 hr
I too was a teacher for many years.
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grounding in reality

my take

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attitude still lacking grounding in reality
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French term (edited): manque encore d'ancrage dans le sol

is not yet fully grounded

They're talking about his posture, not his state of mind.

La **posture** de l'arbre développe la force et l'équilibre des jambes, ce qui vous permet de vous sentir centré, stable et **ancré au sol**.
http://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=326559318484000
Peer comment(s):
neutral B D Finch : See the notes on "posture scolaire" and "posture réflexive" that I've added to my answer. At this stage, it would be a bit early to aim for anything other than a "posture scolaire".
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[still not] firmly established

I think that might work.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S106037432...
In this phase, although new expressions such as reprehensible etc were not firmly established in the students' receptive vocabularies, ... For example, a student may describe a school report card as 'tremendous' rather than more appositely as 'outstanding' or 'excellent'.


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https://waypoint-training.org.uk
So powerful are these markers that children can be labelled as failures because they haven't attained the prescribed levels for their year group. ... Some courses build on firmly established skills, knowledge and/or attitudes.

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See the references below for why I do not believe this is "posture scolaire", not physical posture.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/47654054_Les_gestes... https://bit.ly/3kHfEyT
La posture scolaire caractérise . davantage la manière dont l'élève essaie avant tout . de rentrer dans les normes scolaires attendues, tente . de se caler dans les attentes du maître.

https://www.ffpunesco.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/EetD-N3...
gnants-élèves : la posture de contrôle favorise une posture scolaire, la posture d'accompagnement domi- nante favorise une posture réflexive dominante chez les élèves

https://www.lien-social.com/La-posture-educative
Alors même que la posture éducative est au confluent de compétences techniques non reproductibles et de qualités relationnelles non transposables, permettant de s'ajuster à l'autre, d'être à l'écoute des ressentis, de s'imprégner des affects et de se laisser traverser par les vibrations émotionnelles.

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https://eduscol.education.fr/experitheque/fiches/fiche10759....
En changeant le regard et la posture des élèves : passer d'une posture scolaire (où l'on travaille pour faire plaisir à sa famille, ses enseignants..) à une posture réflexive (en les rendant d'avantage conscients des objectifs et buts à atteindre, de leurs progrès et donc davantage acteurs et responsables de leur scolarité et en les impliquant dans leur travail)

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Just saw that an unwanted "do not" crept in above. My note should have read: "See the references below for why I believe this is "posture scolaire", not physical posture."
Peer comment(s):
neutral writeaway : I don't see how this fits the context /this a school report about a student. do you really think that 'established' is the right word???
7 mins
I am now pretty sure that "posture" has the same meaning as in "posture scolaire" and, therefore, that "established" is the right word. This may, in English, seem slightly technical vocabulary to use in a school report, but not necessarily in French.
neutral Yvonne Gallagher : don't see how it fits context?
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See comment to writeaway.
neutral SafeTex : this is more "established in life" = successful. I too don't think this phrase quite fits the context and what is meant
6 hrs
It is very common in education and psychology to describe skills etc. as being "established". See my added reference note.
agree Thomas Miles : Agree that this is a fairly neutral and versatile solution that preserves a degree of the original metaphor.
6 hrs
Thanks Thomas
neutral philgoddard : Posture means how he sits and stands, not his attitude to work.
8 hrs
Not in this context. See my added notes with refs about "posture scolaire" and "posture réflexive".
neutral AllegroTrans : philgoddard: see my ref for a definition of "posture"; nothing to do with sitting in standing in this context
1 day 7 hrs
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1 day 8 hrs
French term (edited): La posture manque encore d’ancrage dans le sol

(His) attitude and engagement still lack a firm grounding/foundation

The whole phrase needs to be translated rather than split up

In my limited experience of French school reports, it seems that there are scores of set formulae from which teachers must choose, whereas when I was at school in England (now in which century was that?) teachers could write just about anything that came into their heads.

I have tried to reflect the French prescriptive style. I strongly disagree with converting to euphemisms such as "he has his head in the clouds" or "he's not with it". Even in GB, these types of expression in school reports are frowned on nowadays.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

fwiw/hth (found on Google)

Comment savoir si on est bien ancré ?
Si vous êtes bien ancré(e) : vous vous sentez actif et maître de vos décisions, d'agir et de travailler sur des projets à long terme de manière régulière. Vous avez plus d'aisance à vous fixez des tâches et vous y tenir. Dans la rue, vous évitez d'écouter de la musique pour ne pas vous couper du monde extérieur.

C'est quoi ancrer ?
S'ancrer, c'est sortir sa conscience de sa tête … et l'installer dans ses pieds. C'est sortir du monde des rêves, des pensées, de l'imaginaire, du spirituel… et revenir dans le monde terrestre, réel, corporel, le monde de la matière. C'est être pleinement là, dans le monde physique.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Yolanda Broad
5 hrs
neutral B D Finch : Need to differentiate how you would translate "bien ancré" when it applies to a person, from when it applies to an attribute. In this case, it applies to "la posture", so "established", rather than "grounded".
23 hrs
agree Daryo
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Reference:

What is "posture scolaire" anyway?

Chez les élèves, cinq postures traduisant l’engagement des élèves dans les tâches ont été identifiées. Les élèves les plus en réussite disposent d’une gamme plus variés de postures et savent en changer devant la difficulté :

La posture première correspond à la manière dont les élèves se lancent dans la tâche sans trop réfléchir


La posture ludique-créative traduit la tentation toujours latente et plus ou moins assurée de détourner la tâche ou de la re-prescrire à son gré.


La posture réflexive est celle qui permet à l’élève non seulement d’être dans l’agir mais de revenir sur cet agir, de le « secondariser » pour en comprendre les finalités, les ratés, les apports.


La posture de refus : refus de faire, d’apprendre, refus de se conformer est toujours un indicateur à prendre au sérieux qui renvoie souvent à des problèmes identitaires, psycho-affectifs, à des violences symboliques ou réelles subies par les élèves.


La posture scolaire caractérise davantage la manière dont l’élève essaie avant tout de rentrer dans les normes scolaires attendues, tente de se caler dans les attentes du maître.


Bucheton, D., Soulé, Y. (2009). Les gestes professionnels et le jeu des postures de l’enseignant dans la classe : un multi-agenda de préoccupations enchâssées. Education & Didactique, 3(3), 29-48.
Bucheton, D.(Dir) (2009). L’agir enseignant : des gestes professionnels ajustés. Toulouse : Octarès.

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So something like attitude/application etc. perhaps
Reference:

http://neo.ens-lyon.fr/neo/formation/analyse/les-postures-eleves

Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree B D Finch : I'd translate it as "attitude", even "stance", but not "application".
9 mins
thanks!
agree Daryo
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