Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
asiatique
English translation:
Asian
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Khwansuree DEROLLEPOT
Jan 3, 2013 11:17
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French term
asiatique
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I have reservations about the correct translation for this part of the world. To me Asian suggests Indonesia, SE Asia, etc. Here it clearly refers to the economies of Japan, China & Korea. Would Oriental work? (vs Western)
Aujourd’hui plus que jamais, et tout en valorisant la discrétion, les japonais ont une double volonté de se distinguer: 1. Individuellement, par rapport aux autres, en tant que personne distincte du groupe 2. Collectivement, en tant que peuple Japonais, distinct des ‘nouvelles économies’ - Asiatiques, au premier rang desquelles la Chine et la Corée.
Aujourd’hui plus que jamais, et tout en valorisant la discrétion, les japonais ont une double volonté de se distinguer: 1. Individuellement, par rapport aux autres, en tant que personne distincte du groupe 2. Collectivement, en tant que peuple Japonais, distinct des ‘nouvelles économies’ - Asiatiques, au premier rang desquelles la Chine et la Corée.
Proposed translations
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| 5 +9 | Asian |
Khwansuree DEROLLEPOT
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| 3 +3 | East Asian |
XXXphxxx (X)
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| 4 +1 | Far Eastern |
Lara Barnett
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| 4 | Eastern/Asian |
Yvonne Gallagher
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Change log
Jan 8, 2013 08:45: Khwansuree DEROLLEPOT Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Khwansuree DEROLLEPOT
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Asian
I think Asian is still the most appropriate.
Oriental makes me think more about Middle East or Far East.
Japan and China are still Asian ;)
If you really want to make the difference, you can refer to the other (Thailand, Vietnam, Malasia, etc.) as South East Asian
Oriental makes me think more about Middle East or Far East.
Japan and China are still Asian ;)
If you really want to make the difference, you can refer to the other (Thailand, Vietnam, Malasia, etc.) as South East Asian
Note from asker:
| I hesitated about this obvious translation, thank you |
Peer comment(s):
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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CHAKIB ROULA (X)
: Definitely agree
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Colin Morley (X)
: "Asian economies" is normal in the financial press
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Jean-Claude Gouin
: 100%
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ruthnp7
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Wolf Draeger
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philgoddard
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Elsa Chesnel
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Simon Charass
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
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right word, right place. everytime
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Eastern/Asian
distinct from other Eastern/Asian economies
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Note added at 9 mins (2013-01-03 11:27:04 GMT)
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Thailand /Malyasia etc are known as S.E. Asia but Japan/China are usually referred to simply as Eastern or Asian
I wouldn't use "oriental" with economies, not a natural collocation
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Note added at 10 mins (2013-01-03 11:27:53 GMT)
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http://www.economist.com/topics/asian-economy
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Note added at 13 mins (2013-01-03 11:31:17 GMT)
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oops! I had intended to put FAR Eastern economies (though I think "Asian" is possibly more common these days)
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/1998/03/23/foc...
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Note added at 9 mins (2013-01-03 11:27:04 GMT)
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Thailand /Malyasia etc are known as S.E. Asia but Japan/China are usually referred to simply as Eastern or Asian
I wouldn't use "oriental" with economies, not a natural collocation
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Note added at 10 mins (2013-01-03 11:27:53 GMT)
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http://www.economist.com/topics/asian-economy
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Note added at 13 mins (2013-01-03 11:31:17 GMT)
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oops! I had intended to put FAR Eastern economies (though I think "Asian" is possibly more common these days)
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/1998/03/23/foc...
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East Asian
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Note added at 55 mins (2013-01-03 12:12:32 GMT)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia
http://www.eastasian.ucsb.edu/
http://www.ames.cam.ac.uk/deas/eastasian/graduate.htm
Peer comment(s):
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Steven Fung
: Yes, or 'Far Eastern'. In economics/business the Far East is often treated as a distinct geopolitical region. 'Asian' would be too broad in English for this context, but 'asiatique' nearly always means this part of Asia in French.
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Thanks Steven.
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B D Finch
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Thanks B.
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Rachel Fell
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_East: "East Asia remains the most common media term for the region today" http://www.economist.com/node/15213613
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Thanks Rachel.
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philgoddard
: India is a new Asian economy, but it's not in East Asia.
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Yes, take your point. However, my assumption is that India is not included otherwise it would have been named (instead of S. Korea at any rate). More context is needed.
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Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
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Far Eastern
I have been educated to believe that "Far eastern" refers to the further oriental countries in Asia, and is a term that distinguishes these countries from the rest of Asia as a whole.
"Far East
The countries and regions of eastern and southeast Asia, especially China, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, and Mongolia."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Far East
"The Far East is an English term (with equivalents in various other languages of Europe and Asia, Chinese 遠東 yuǎn dōng literally translating to "far east") mostly describing East Asia (including the Russian Far East) and Southeast Asia,[1] with South Asia sometimes also included for economic and cultural reasons.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_East
"The Far Eastern Economic Review (Chinese: 遠東經濟評論, Pinyin: Yuǎndōng Jīngjì Pínglùn; also referred to as FEER or The Review) was an English language Asian news magazine started in 1946. It printed its final issue in December 2009. The Hong Kong-based business magazine was originally published weekly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Eastern_Economic_Review
"Far East
The countries and regions of eastern and southeast Asia, especially China, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, and Mongolia."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Far East
"The Far East is an English term (with equivalents in various other languages of Europe and Asia, Chinese 遠東 yuǎn dōng literally translating to "far east") mostly describing East Asia (including the Russian Far East) and Southeast Asia,[1] with South Asia sometimes also included for economic and cultural reasons.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_East
"The Far Eastern Economic Review (Chinese: 遠東經濟評論, Pinyin: Yuǎndōng Jīngjì Pínglùn; also referred to as FEER or The Review) was an English language Asian news magazine started in 1946. It printed its final issue in December 2009. The Hong Kong-based business magazine was originally published weekly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Eastern_Economic_Review
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: The problem with "Far Eastern" is that it is a European view of the world. Nowadays, "East Asian" would be preferred as it does not reference Europe as the centre of the world. Note the foundation date of the FEER.
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SafeTex
: Given the precise locations, this has to be the answer for me
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Thank you.
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Discussion
S. Korea is usually listed as an "emerging economy", even though it is practically part of the "developed world". Japan is of course a developed, or fully industrialised economy, so imo the FR term does not include Japan (which may explain why it would be so keen to distance itself from the emerging lot).