| Σελίδες για το θέμα: [1 2] > | Info about asker vs. info about answerers - why not the same? Αποστολέας σε συζήτηση: Katalin Horváth McClure
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I am not sure if it is a recent change, or I just happened to notice it, but I find it strange that the type of information displayed next to the asker's name is not the same as what is displayed next to the answerers' name.
This is displayed in the question area about the asker (I am using my own example):
Katalin Horvath McClure
United States
Local time: 19:13
Flag or filter this asker: dashboard
And this is an example of what is displayed next to an answerer:
Katalin Horvath McClure
United States
Local time: 19:13
Native speaker of: Hungarian
Specializes in field
PRO pts in category: 41
Why is it that certain type of information is omitted from the asker's info? Is it a bug or is it on purpose? If the letter, what is the reason for doing that?
IMHO it would be informative and fair to display the exact same type of information about the askers and the answerers on KudoZ question pages.
One more strange thing: when a KudoZ question is closed, the selected answer appears at the top, under the question, with a yellowish background color. Here again, the answerer's info is truncated, and contains only the name, the country and the local time of that person. Why is that? Why is the local time more important than the native language and field expertise of the person?
Could somebody from staff explain?
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Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες Αμερικής
Local time: 04:39
Αγγλικά σε Ισπανικά
| A matter of usefulness? | Sep 8, 2009 |
One would expect the info displayed to be the same everywhere, but I have noticed a lot of inconsistencies in that respect. It may be the programmers miss updating certain screens, it may be a matter of space availability in certain screens, who knows, but the inconsistencies are there.
I am glad to see that the country of the answerer is now displayed. As I see it, it is a matter of usefulness and I suggested it some time ago. It greatly helps when searching Kudoz or when selectin... See more One would expect the info displayed to be the same everywhere, but I have noticed a lot of inconsistencies in that respect. It may be the programmers miss updating certain screens, it may be a matter of space availability in certain screens, who knows, but the inconsistencies are there.
I am glad to see that the country of the answerer is now displayed. As I see it, it is a matter of usefulness and I suggested it some time ago. It greatly helps when searching Kudoz or when selecting an answer for a question about a term in a translation addressed to a specific country or audience. Even better if it is supported by other statistical data such as points in the category, etc.
In this particular case, I do not see any harm nor the need to have all that info about the asker. As I said, I for one am interested in the answerer's qualifications. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Katalin Horváth McClure
Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες Αμερικής
Local time: 04:39
Μέλος από 2002
Αγγλικά σε Ουγγαρέζικα
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ΞΕΚΙΝΗΣΕ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ | Why the info is useful everywhere | Sep 8, 2009 |
Just the same way as the info about the answerer may help the asker to choose the most suitable answer, the same info about the asker may help the answerers to provide better help to the asker, a more suitable answer for the asker's needs.
For example, somebody that is not a specialist in the field of the question may appreciate a more detailed answer, or explaining the concept in "layman's terms", while a specialist may be satisfied with a short answer that even includes other spec... See more Just the same way as the info about the answerer may help the asker to choose the most suitable answer, the same info about the asker may help the answerers to provide better help to the asker, a more suitable answer for the asker's needs.
For example, somebody that is not a specialist in the field of the question may appreciate a more detailed answer, or explaining the concept in "layman's terms", while a specialist may be satisfied with a short answer that even includes other specific terminology without detailed explanation of those.
I think it would be useful to display the same information for both askers and answerers, there is certainly space for it, I don't see why it would be disadvantageous.
(Edited for typo.)
[Edited at 2009-09-08 13:22 GMT] ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Interesting question | Sep 9, 2009 |
I thought the disappearance of visible info under Askers' names was just a bug. If this is new site policy, it would be nice if someone from the site would explain why this change was made. Why not remove all visible info about Answerers too, to level the playing field, so to speak. Or restore the information about Askers.
Or, is this just a bug??
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Katalin Horváth McClure
Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες Αμερικής
Local time: 04:39
Μέλος από 2002
Αγγλικά σε Ουγγαρέζικα
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ΞΕΚΙΝΗΣΕ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ | So it is a recent change - at least my memory is correct | Sep 9, 2009 |
I thought the disappearance of visible info under Askers' names was just a bug.
OK, at least now I know it is not my mind playing games with me. I remember seeing all that info displayed for the asker, but I started to question my memory. At least now I know it is a "disappearance" all right...
I submitted a support request, asking staff to visit this thread and clarify if it is a bug.
Katalin
[Edited at 2009-09-09 00:56 GMT]
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Hi all,
There is no bug there, and to my knowledge no recent changes have been made to the information. See http://www.proz.com/faq/4780#4780 and http://www.proz.com/faq/5198#5198 , both of which have screenshots of the information shown (note that additional information is shown in a mouseover).... See more Hi all,
There is no bug there, and to my knowledge no recent changes have been made to the information. See http://www.proz.com/faq/4780#4780 and http://www.proz.com/faq/5198#5198 , both of which have screenshots of the information shown (note that additional information is shown in a mouseover).
The information shown about askers and answerers differs, since the information is pointed towards term help. For example, showing or not whether the asker specializes in the field is not relevant to helping provide the term requested; however, this information can be useful to an asker when evaluating answers provided to their question.
As for showing an abbreviated set of information on the answerer once the answer has been selected, my understanding is that this is done for reasons of space (peer comments are also left out, for example). The full set of information remains visible in the actual answers below this.
Best regards,
Jared ▲ Collapse
| | | | Katalin Horváth McClure
Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες Αμερικής
Local time: 04:39
Μέλος από 2002
Αγγλικά σε Ουγγαρέζικα
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ΞΕΚΙΝΗΣΕ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ | The information is useful everywhere | Sep 9, 2009 |
Jared wrote:
For example, showing or not whether the asker specializes in the field is not relevant to helping provide the term requested; however, this information can be useful to an asker when evaluating answers provided to their question.
I beg to differ. See my previous posting above.
Providing help does not mean just giving the translation for the term itself - it includes giving explanation and justification for the translation. The specialization, the native language of the asker is relevant to how, and how much of that explanation needs to be given to really help the asker.
I see no disadvantage of providing the same info about the askers. Do you see any disadvantage, Jared?
Katalin
| | | | | Non-relevant information clutters the interface for all users. | Sep 9, 2009 |
I also consider that adding information about the askers' native language, their KudoZ points in the specialty and the fact that they specialize in that field would add little value to the function of helping a potential answerer provide help to the asker.
Non-relevant information clutters the interface for all users. Potential answerers interested in this kind of information have it one click away in the asker's profile.
Regards,
Enrique
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Katalin Horváth McClure
Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες Αμερικής
Local time: 04:39
Μέλος από 2002
Αγγλικά σε Ουγγαρέζικα
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ΞΕΚΙΝΗΣΕ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ | Then why is it relevant about the answerers? | Sep 9, 2009 |
I don't buy the cluttering argument. The space is there, just like (or more so) than at the answerers area.
Why is it relevant to the asker to see this info about the answerers?
Anybody "interested in this kind of information have it one click away" in the answerer's profile as well.
Katalin
| | | | | Usefulness for the asker | Sep 9, 2009 |
Katalin Horvath McClure wrote:
Why is it relevant to the asker to see this info about the answerers?
Anybody "interested in this kind of information have it one click away" in the answerer's profile as well.
Katalin
For an asker it is clearly relevant to know if the persons providing answers are native in the source and/or target language, if they specialize in the field and the amount of KudoZ they have in the field.
If two answers were received and one of the answerers specializes in the field and has many points in the specialty and the other has neither that specialty not points, that could be a relevant decision point for the asker.
On the same line, information is offered about the asker's KudoZ activity because this information is considered relevant for a potential answerer.
Enrique
| | | | | Actually it's even more relevant to some of us | Sep 9, 2009 |
Jared wrote:
For example, showing or not whether the asker specializes in the field is not relevant to helping provide the term requested
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's found that not all askers deserve an answer. For example, being able to see, whether or not the asker states Finance as a specialization would be helpful when deciding whether or not to help them with the phrase "buy a share".
"Undeserving askers" is the main reason I've virtually stopped participating in Kudoz. If I could see that the asker does not specialize in Finance, maybe they usually work with translation for the motor industry but have been landed with translating a press release mentioning the company's new scheme to get their car buyers to buy shares in the company, I would gladly help. As is, I see what I consider to be a stupid question and move on (actually, I rarely look at Kudoz these days).
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Hi Madeleine,
Madeleine MacRae Klintebo wrote:
Jared wrote:
For example, showing or not whether the asker specializes in the field is not relevant to helping provide the term requested
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's found that not all askers deserve an answer. For example, being able to see, whether or not the asker states Finance as a specialization would be helpful when deciding whether or not to help them with the phrase "buy a share".
"Undeserving askers" is the main reason I've virtually stopped participating in Kudoz. If I could see that the asker does not specialize in Finance, maybe they usually work with translation for the motor industry but have been landed with translating a press release mentioning the company's new scheme to get their car buyers to buy shares in the company, I would gladly help. As is, I see what I consider to be a stupid question and move on (actually, I rarely look at Kudoz these days).
The objective of KudoZ is to help askers. I don't see how the information mentioned would contribute to doing this.
Best regards,
Jared
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Katalin Horváth McClure
Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες Αμερικής
Local time: 04:39
Μέλος από 2002
Αγγλικά σε Ουγγαρέζικα
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ΞΕΚΙΝΗΣΕ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ | Why KudoZ activity is more relevant than let's say native language? | Sep 9, 2009 |
Enrique wrote:
On the same line, information is offered about the asker's KudoZ activity because this information is considered relevant for a potential answerer.
Enrique
Could you elaborate why is it "considered relevant for a potential answerer"?
When trying to help the asker, when providing an answer to the given question, in what way is the asker's previous KudoZ activity more useful to know than the native language and the specialization of the asker?
Katalin
[Edited at 2009-09-09 21:38 GMT]
| | | | | Yes, really Jared | Sep 9, 2009 |
Jared wrote:
The objective of KudoZ is to help askers. I don't see how the information mentioned would contribute to doing this.
I'm all for helping professional colleagues struggling with difficult words/phrases, but I'm somewhat fed up with Kudoz being "used" by "professional translators" who:
a) are translating between their B and C languages, or worse
b) have an answer/ask ratio of 1:100 or above
c) are totally unable to spot an obvious misspelling in their source language
d) profess specialization in a field whilst asking beginners' questions in the same field
Making it easier for potential answerers to view whether or not the asker professes to specialize in a field would therefore be of use to potential answerers with the same inclination as I have.
Unless I can easily decide which askers I'm prepared to help, I prefer to help none.
| | | | | Information on askers | Sep 9, 2009 |
Madeleine MacRae Klintebo wrote:
Jared wrote:
The objective of KudoZ is to help askers. I don't see how the information mentioned would contribute to doing this.
I'm all for helping professional colleagues struggling with difficult words/phrases, but I'm somewhat fed up with Kudoz being "used" by "professional translators" who:
a) are translating between their B and C languages, or worse
d) profess specialization in a field whilst asking beginners' questions in the same field
These data are one click away, in the asker's profile.
b) have an answer/ask ratio of 1:100 or above
This information is currently available in the questions, see http://www.proz.com/faq/4780#4780
c) are totally unable to spot an obvious misspelling in their source language
Such misspelling would be visible today, you don't need any additional information to spot it.
Regards,
Enrique
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