Can answer hiding be abused? Αποστολέας σε συζήτηση: Jaroslaw Michalak
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Jaroslaw Michalak 
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Do you think it is possible to abuse the function of answer hiding? In particular, a person hides all the answers which, in retrospect, show glaring ignorance of the subject area. Most of the visible answers are those which received points, which might give an impression that the answerer is knowledgable in the field (which, of course, leads to more points, by the power of "authority").
| | | | Ty Kendall
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| I suppose.... | Jan 1, 2012 |
.......it could. Although I'm not sure if the powers that be monitor these types of things.
I know that hiding and answer then trying to re-answer it should raise a flag somewhere as this comes under the "offering multiple translations for one question" thingy, and a little purple warning comes up on your second attempt.
I would never hide an answer to hide my "ignorance". If I'm wrong, I don't mind people seeing that. After all, you learn more from your mistakes than you do f... See more .......it could. Although I'm not sure if the powers that be monitor these types of things.
I know that hiding and answer then trying to re-answer it should raise a flag somewhere as this comes under the "offering multiple translations for one question" thingy, and a little purple warning comes up on your second attempt.
I would never hide an answer to hide my "ignorance". If I'm wrong, I don't mind people seeing that. After all, you learn more from your mistakes than you do from your successes.
However, I can see how the scenario you described could actually happen, if someone went about hiding their answers in quite a tactical manner.....
....but then how could the average observer tell?
(Unless they are eagle eyed enough to see the answers before they "vanish"). ▲ Collapse
| | | | Russell Jones
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| A Moderator's perspective | Jan 1, 2012 |
Hidden answers remain visible to moderators.
In my experience (18 months) this is a rare occurrence. The few cases I do see give the appearance of people realising that they are on completely the wrong track and not wanting anyone to be misled or, even more occasionally, wanting to hide their embarassment at posting a ridiculous answer. I see no "serial hiders".
I can't tell you whether hidden answers are included in KudoZ "track records" or not but, if my experience is typi... See more Hidden answers remain visible to moderators.
In my experience (18 months) this is a rare occurrence. The few cases I do see give the appearance of people realising that they are on completely the wrong track and not wanting anyone to be misled or, even more occasionally, wanting to hide their embarassment at posting a ridiculous answer. I see no "serial hiders".
I can't tell you whether hidden answers are included in KudoZ "track records" or not but, if my experience is typical of other language pairs, it doesn't warrant pressing for an answer. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Anton Konashenok
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| This isn't really an abuse | Jan 1, 2012 |
I don't think "serial hiding" (if it actually occurs) is an abuse - in fact, it's more likely to be this particular person's way of learning: posting the best guess, then removing it if proven wrong. On the other hand, I routinely see a few posters, may they remain nameless, offer totally clueless answers and insist on them even after several professionals in the given field have explained them why they are wrong. Why they decide to embarrass themselves in plain view of their potential clients i... See more I don't think "serial hiding" (if it actually occurs) is an abuse - in fact, it's more likely to be this particular person's way of learning: posting the best guess, then removing it if proven wrong. On the other hand, I routinely see a few posters, may they remain nameless, offer totally clueless answers and insist on them even after several professionals in the given field have explained them why they are wrong. Why they decide to embarrass themselves in plain view of their potential clients is beyond my understanding. ▲ Collapse
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| There is a mechanism in place to discourage abuse | Jan 2, 2012 |
http://www.proz.com/faq/terminology_term_help/kudoz/answering.html#will_my_hidden_answers_be_visible_in_my_list_of_answers_
3.8 - Will my hidden answers be visible in my list of answers?
You will always be able to see the answers you have hidden in your list of KudoZ answers. Other users will only see your hidden answers if you have hidden 10% or more of your total answers (but no less than 20 answers).
Hidden answers will figure under the Answered tab in the KudoZ activity section of profiles, with the link to the question, but with "Answer hidden by answerer" instead of the source and target term.
They will also be added to the total count of Questions answered (shown on the main page of profiles) and in the statistics found in the KudoZ activity section.
I believe this mechanism was put in place at the time of this announcement, discussing precisely what was brought up in this thread, too.
Let me quote the first few lines, for the rest, see the thread at the link below.
Dear members,
It has has been observed that some answerers hide many of their answers which have not been selected in order to improve the appearance of their performance in KudoZ.
While hiding your answers is allowed and will not be limited, there is a perception that the above described behavior is not fair and should be discouraged.
http://www.proz.com/forum/kudoz/110780-new_criteria_to_be_followed_for_hidden_answers_in_kudoz.html
[Edited at 2012-01-02 01:57 GMT]
| | | | Jaroslaw Michalak
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Katalin Horvath McClure wrote:
You will always be able to see the answers you have hidden in your list of KudoZ answers. Other users will only see your hidden answers if you have hidden 10% or more of your total answers (but no less than 20 answers).
That practically answers my question. Even though the "serial hider" happens to be also a "serial point grabber", the 10% ratio should prevent abuse of the feature.
| | | | neilmac
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I hid an answer of my own just the other day because I felt my own initial suggestion had been copied and I felt a bit stroppy. It had been up for a few days and the asker hadn't done anything with it so I thought they might as well just go with one of the other suggestions, which were all good, if I remember rightly.
I am usually in a hurry when looking at kudoz, so may occasionally jump to a wrong conclusion, and sometimes this can also happen due to lack of context in the questio... See more I hid an answer of my own just the other day because I felt my own initial suggestion had been copied and I felt a bit stroppy. It had been up for a few days and the asker hadn't done anything with it so I thought they might as well just go with one of the other suggestions, which were all good, if I remember rightly.
I am usually in a hurry when looking at kudoz, so may occasionally jump to a wrong conclusion, and sometimes this can also happen due to lack of context in the question. I think it would be unfair to penalise this kind of behaviour, when every day we can see glaring example of people posting questions who are obviously unfit for purpose in the first place. It is after all a bit of a free-for-all and I think most translators worth their salt can tell a crock from an alligator. ▲ Collapse
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