Jun 21, 2018 14:13
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English term

to the satisfaction of a jury

English Law/Patents Law: Contract(s)
Context:

If any part of the TOS is proved to the satisfaction of a jury as being invalid or as having a non-binding nature, the rest of the Terms of Service will still remain binding.

Discussion

Daryo Jun 21, 2018:
Could be, could also mean "that is also useful".
philgoddard Jun 21, 2018:
The asker has said thank you, which to me implies that his question has been answered and he knows what "satisfied" means.
Daryo Jun 21, 2018:
Wasn't the question about the meaning of a jury "being satisfied" ??? Whatever kind of jury it is ...
Nam Vo (asker) Jun 21, 2018:
It is held in courts in New York. Thank you, very much guys :)
AllegroTrans Jun 21, 2018:
I kind of agree It's an entirely standard clause and I never ever seen "jury" in this context. However, this is what it says in the source text and I don't think the asker should alter it when translating.
philgoddard Jun 21, 2018:
Although... (Wikipedia again) "The right to a jury trial in civil cases does not extend to the states, except when a state court is enforcing a federally created right, of which the right to trial by jury is a substantial part."

As your text refers to state and federal courts, and assuming this is a US case, I think it's unlikely that they're insisting on a jury here.

If it were me, I'd probably translate it as "court" and put a note saying "the English says jury, but I don't think this is the literal meaning".
philgoddard Jun 21, 2018:
Wikipedia "Only the United States makes routine use of jury trials in a wide variety of non-criminal cases. Other common law legal jurisdictions use jury trials only in a very select class of cases that make up a tiny share of the overall civil docket (like malicious prosecution and false imprisonment suits in England and Wales), but true civil jury trials are almost entirely absent elsewhere in the world."

So maybe I'm wrong. It sounds like this could be a US text, since it refers to state and federal courts.
AllegroTrans Jun 21, 2018:
@ PHIL There IS provision for juries in certain civil cases.

When are juries used in criminal and civil cases? - InBrief.co.uk
https://www.inbrief.co.uk › Legal System

Juries are only used in a limited number of civil cases. However, they have a dual role when they are used. The jury will decide upon the facts of the case to find ...
Nam Vo (asker) Jun 21, 2018:
In court.

Context:
The proper venue for any disputes arising out of or relating to any of the same will be the State and/or Federal Courts.
philgoddard Jun 21, 2018:
This doesn't make sense because you don't usually have juries in civil cases. I suppose it could mean an arbitration panel (does it say elsewhere that disputes will be referred to arbitration?), but it probably means "in court".

Responses

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the jury was "satisfied" = convinced / believed in the proofs that it's true

If any part of the TOS is proved to the satisfaction of a jury as being invalid or as having a non-binding nature, the rest of the Terms of Service will still remain binding.
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if in a court case the jury finds convincing / believes the proofs/arguments that some part of the Terms of Service are not valid [and by implication, consequently the jury decides that way ] etc

the same meaning of "being satisfied" applies also to any official who can take decisions on their own discretion, based on their own judgement / appreciation of facts - like a Customs officer being "satisfied" (or not) that all that tobacco and brandy is "only for personal consumption" or a Traffic police being "satisfied" (or not) that the reason for speeding / driving through a red light was a genuine emergency, or a Planning officer being "satisfied" that the submitted application is in order and the planning permission should be granted etc etc
Peer comment(s):

agree Tina Vonhof (X) : I agree with 'convinced' but, with regard to the second part of your answer, note that a court case does not aim to 'prove' that something is 'true' but rather to come to a conclusion based on the evidence presented.
2 hrs
Better not start a discussion about what really is a "solid/error proof" evidence ... Thanks!
agree AllegroTrans : convinced on the basis of evidence ("believed" is far too woolly a term in legalspeak) ("Well I voted guilty like, because of the evidence like, but I don't believe the gaffer really dun it..)
17 hrs
Point taken. Thanks!
agree Yvonne Gallagher : yes, with AT and, of course, this was the question asked.
4 days
Thanks!
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