thefastshow May 9:

- Bis auf dass EA die gaengige bei Thieme und auch den von Marion aufgefuehrten, veritablen Quellen Abkuerzung fuer Eigenanamnese ist. Man kann sich natuerlich auch dagegenstellen.

Johannes Gleim May 9:

Erstaufnahme Ich sehe keinen Grund für eine "Eigenanamnese". "Keine Thrombose in der Erstaufnahme festgestellt" klingt wesentlich wahrscheinlicher.

thefastshow May 8:

(auf die falsche Taste gedrueckt) sich allerdings fachlich noch nicht so durchgesetzt.

thefastshow May 8:

Guter Vorschlag, wenn man es haarscharf ausdruecken moechte. Ich denke es hat s

Johanna Timm, PhD May 8:

self-reported medical history https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=self-repo...

Arne Krueger May 7:

Yes, I can understand what you mean, Maja. Unfortunately, we have no clue who is/was responsible for the "Befunde". I would guess it is just a list of actions performed by the currently treating physician (probably for a referral). But this is wild speculation and doesn't lead anywhere... I would even think you would not be able to have a proper answer for it even if the entire context is known to you, because it is an abbreviation with multiple possible meanings. That's just what it is, I'm afraid.

Maja_K May 7:

@Arne and @Marion Yes, thank you for the clarification. I know the difference between an anamnesis and diagnosis.I expressed myself the wrong way the first time around,sorry. Let me elaborate: during an "anamnesis interview" it's one thing when the patient says:"I have a backpain,constant headaches,shortness of breath,I had a heart attack in the past, etc."(stating specific, direct symptoms that they are experiencing),and it's another thing to say:"I have thrombosis".Thrombosis is an illness that needs to be diagnosed(for which I assume there were some symptoms that the patient had previously reported, which eventually lead to the diagnosis).The illness gets diagnosed by a doctor(because a patient does not self-diagnose).It IS in the "scope" of a patient to report such illnesses during an "anamnesis interview",BUT are these illnesses going to be mentioned *only* in the context of the "anamnesis interview"(because the doctor takes the word of the patient) or rather in the context of medical reports from the diagnosing doctor?I'm saying this because the more I think about it, the more it seems to me that it's not "Eigenanamnese", but rather "Erstaufnahme" that would fit in the context of the question

Arne Krueger May 7:

Maja, you can read the definition of Eigenanamnese in one of Marion's links. Here is the wording of it: "Als Eigenanamnese bezeichnet man - im Gegensatz zur Fremdanamnese - eine Anamnese, die auf Angaben beruht, die der Patient selbst macht. Da auch eigene Angaben auf Irrtümern und Verwechslungen beruhen können, ist vor allem bei Patienten mit kognitiven Defiziten (z.B. Morbus Alzheimer) die Ergänzung der Angaben durch nahestehende Dritte sinnvoll." In other words, the patient gives information about his current medical condition.

Marion Linssen May 7:

@Maja I think it's not about determining a diagnosis by the patient. Anamnesis means a systematic questioning on the patient's state of health and his medical history, performed by the treating doctor or another person. See point 4.1 below.
https://flexikon.doccheck.com/de/Anamnese

Maja_K May 7:

Can someone determine thrombosis in "Eigenanamnese"? (It's not a trick question, I'm really interested in this one)

Arne Krueger May 7:

An Erstaufnahme hatte ich auch zuerst gedacht...

Marion Linssen May 7:

EA = Eigenanamnese/autoanamnesis? https://www.medizinische-abkuerzungen.de/suche.html
https://flexikon.doccheck.com/de/Eigenanamnese

oder "Erstaufnahme", if patient was hospitalised before?

Sebastian Witte (asker) May 7:

Hi Phil, "Initial diagnosis" is "Erstdiagnose" (ED). "Erstanamnese" is "initial taking of medical history".

philgoddard May 7:

You mention 'initial diagnosis' three times - is this Erstamnese? If so, that's possibly your answer.