Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
моральные затраты
English translation:
emotional stress, moral damage
Added to glossary by
Natalia Koltsova
May 19, 2003 18:05
21 yrs ago
Russian term
моральные затраты
Russian to English
Bus/Financial
Military / Defense
military
Такое денежное довольствие в 2004 году уже не будет соответствовать моральным и физическим затратам военнослужащих за их воинский труд.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +4 | An explanation... |
Natalia Koltsova
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| 5 +2 | just drop it |
Russian Express
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| 4 +1 | moral expenses |
Vladimir Pochinov
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| 4 +1 | moral expenses |
Vera Fluhr (X)
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| 4 | moral input/ expenditures |
Сергей Лузан
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| 4 | Psychological costs |
Simon Geoghegan
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| 4 | moral losses |
Vera Fluhr (X)
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Proposed translations
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1 hr
Natalia Koltsova
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
Native in Russian
Russian Federation
Making communication happen
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, Russian, and 1 more.
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An explanation...
This is indeed the worst kind of Russian... "Ridiculous" or even ludicrous...
However... What is normally meant by 'moral expenses' is a bit like 'moral damage', i. e. the stress etc. you suffer at work (or even at war, which is a possibility in your case). I. e. you are not just 'speding' physical energy (labour), you are also under stress and may be even more than stress (again as is in your case). Which ought to be rewarded/compensated financially. At least I think this is the idea behind the sentence.
Hope it helps. Cheers...
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\"Emotional stress and physical exertion\"? Well, perhaps... I don\'t know, the whole sentence is frankly so nonsensical... What they mean is like \'the military servicemen are underpaid and the salary proposed for 2004 will hardly be a fair compensation for all the work and \'moral damage\' that military service entails\'. This is \'whining\' in the worst beaurocratic form possible :)
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Thanks for the grade :)
However... What is normally meant by 'moral expenses' is a bit like 'moral damage', i. e. the stress etc. you suffer at work (or even at war, which is a possibility in your case). I. e. you are not just 'speding' physical energy (labour), you are also under stress and may be even more than stress (again as is in your case). Which ought to be rewarded/compensated financially. At least I think this is the idea behind the sentence.
Hope it helps. Cheers...
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\"Emotional stress and physical exertion\"? Well, perhaps... I don\'t know, the whole sentence is frankly so nonsensical... What they mean is like \'the military servicemen are underpaid and the salary proposed for 2004 will hardly be a fair compensation for all the work and \'moral damage\' that military service entails\'. This is \'whining\' in the worst beaurocratic form possible :)
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Thanks for the grade :)
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Alexander Alexandrov
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Yuri Geifman
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you so much! I had in mind something like this, but of course I lack any native intuition of what the phrase, however ridiculous, might be understood. I particularly like your suggestion of "stress." So, do you think it would be all right to translate моральные и физические затраты as "emotional stress and physical exertion"? Thanks to everyone for your help!"
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3 mins
Vladimir Pochinov
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
Native in Russian
Russian Federation
Certified English-Russian Translator
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian
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12
moral expenses
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Examples:
Our remuneration will not exceed the material and moral expenses you would have borne in completing the deal yourself.
www.migo.ru/eng/solution.html
... I hope in the end you\'ll get your cash back and may be even something to cover your moral expenses as well ...
forums.devshed.com/archive/26/2002/12/4/48467
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Note added at 2003-05-19 18:11:44 (GMT)
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Examples:
Our remuneration will not exceed the material and moral expenses you would have borne in completing the deal yourself.
www.migo.ru/eng/solution.html
... I hope in the end you\'ll get your cash back and may be even something to cover your moral expenses as well ...
forums.devshed.com/archive/26/2002/12/4/48467
Peer comment(s):
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Evgeny Filimonov (X)
7 mins
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Thank you, Evgeniy!
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4 mins
moral expenses
Samples:
... These costs included: (1) entertainment, meals, and employee moral expenses; (2) charitable contributions and sponsorships; (3) lobbying costs; (4) unsupported ...
http://oig.hhs.gov/oas/reports/region2/20001034.htm
Timeline/44
... traditions, talks to a fourth grade class, using the idea of building and living in a tule house as a way to get across the social and moral expenses of our ...
http://www.globalcommunity.org/cgpub/44/44.htm
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EXPLANATION:
Moral expenses == moral losses
please see below
... These costs included: (1) entertainment, meals, and employee moral expenses; (2) charitable contributions and sponsorships; (3) lobbying costs; (4) unsupported ...
http://oig.hhs.gov/oas/reports/region2/20001034.htm
Timeline/44
... traditions, talks to a fourth grade class, using the idea of building and living in a tule house as a way to get across the social and moral expenses of our ...
http://www.globalcommunity.org/cgpub/44/44.htm
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Note added at 2003-05-19 20:11:29 (GMT) Post-grading
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EXPLANATION:
Moral expenses == moral losses
please see below
+2
1 hr
Russian Express
Canada
Canada
Native in Russian
&
English
Canada
est. 1991
Native in: English 
, Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English
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12
just drop it
Обычное словоблудие или ridiculous Russian. Затраты ... за труд???
1 hr
Сергей Лузан
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
Native in Russian
Works in field
Russian Federation
Always welcome! :)
Native in: Russian
Works in: German to Russian, English to Russian, Spanish to Russian, and 7 more.
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12
moral input/ expenditures
sounds funny, but not funnier, than their expected remuneration. Good luck, James Walker!
Only the author of the document knows the meaning of "моральные затраты"
Re.: 5. Russian-English Dictionary over 160 000 words & expressions, 1997,
ISBN 5-200-02419
6. Russian-English Dictionary, 34 000 words approx., Soviet Encyclopedia Publ. House, Moscow, 1970
Only the author of the document knows the meaning of "моральные затраты"
Re.: 5. Russian-English Dictionary over 160 000 words & expressions, 1997,
ISBN 5-200-02419
6. Russian-English Dictionary, 34 000 words approx., Soviet Encyclopedia Publ. House, Moscow, 1970
1 hr
Simon Geoghegan
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
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United Kingdom
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Native in: English
Works in: Russian to English
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4
Psychological costs
There might be a case for using the above phrase here, although I would be tempted to agree with Russexpress and Natalie and try to do without it at all.
I certainly wouldn't translate this literally as "moral expenses" it does sound very strange in English.
I certainly wouldn't translate this literally as "moral expenses" it does sound very strange in English.
2 hrs
moral losses
Samples:
Security Bodies in Ukraine
... during the course of executing its duties, the agency shall restore the individual’s rights and liberties, recompense __moral_and_physical_losses__, and punish ...
http://www.hfhrpol.waw.pl/Secserv/1_ukraine.html
SOCIETY
... in different directions. One cannot postpone compensation of __moral_and_physical_losses__ to still alive liquidators. However it does ...
http://biobel.bas-net.by/igc/ChD/Society6_e.htm
... Of course, our priority is to lessen damage that could happen to us,
without which we are liable to big __moral_and_physical_losses__. ...
http://www.votesmart.org.uk/whyvote.htm
Security Bodies in Ukraine
... during the course of executing its duties, the agency shall restore the individual’s rights and liberties, recompense __moral_and_physical_losses__, and punish ...
http://www.hfhrpol.waw.pl/Secserv/1_ukraine.html
SOCIETY
... in different directions. One cannot postpone compensation of __moral_and_physical_losses__ to still alive liquidators. However it does ...
http://biobel.bas-net.by/igc/ChD/Society6_e.htm
... Of course, our priority is to lessen damage that could happen to us,
without which we are liable to big __moral_and_physical_losses__. ...
http://www.votesmart.org.uk/whyvote.htm
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