Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Italian term or phrase:
a riprova di un conquistato ritegno ad abbandonarsi
English translation:
testifies to a mature inclination towards restraint rather than overflowing sentimentality
Added to glossary by
Fiona Grace Peterson
Sep 5, 2005 10:42
18 yrs ago
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Italian term
Italy
Just what the doctor ordered
Native in: English (Variant: UK)
Works in: Italian to English
a riprova di un conquistato ritegno ad abbandonarsi
Italian to English
Art/Literary
Cinema, Film, TV, Drama
book on film director
"Va infine sottolineata, ***a riprova di un conquistato ritegno ad abbandonarsi*** alla piena incontrollata dei sentimenti, la scelta di lasciare tutto il finale impastato dei soli suoni realistici, senza traccia della musica, che ricompare solo a ridosso della parola fine."
I'm having serious trouble getting my head around the highlighted part of the phrase - I understand the meaning but the right wording just won't come to me. All help appreciated. Thanks!
I'm having serious trouble getting my head around the highlighted part of the phrase - I understand the meaning but the right wording just won't come to me. All help appreciated. Thanks!
Proposed translations
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Proposed translations
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testifies to a mature inclination towards restraint rather than overflowing sentimentality
I would move away from the Italian here
*the choice to .... testifies to a mature inclination towards restraint rather than overflowing sentimentality*
*conquistato* seems to suggest experience - hence my choice of *mature*
*sentimentality* does have a negative connotation, you could opt for something more neutral
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*the choice to .... testifies to a mature inclination towards restraint rather than overflowing sentimentality*
*conquistato* seems to suggest experience - hence my choice of *mature*
*sentimentality* does have a negative connotation, you could opt for something more neutral
hth ;-)
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Comment: "Thanks to everyone for their help on a text which turned out to be far from easy! "
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Angela Arnone
Native in English
Specializes in field
Italian by name ... English by nature!
Native in: English 
Works in: Italian to English, English, Italian
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confirming that some restraint....
"confirming that some restraint has been acquired which will prevent an overwhelming flood of sentimentality"
Well, I might have like a bit more context, even though you've given the whole sentence. I take "sentimenti" to be negative and I might go for "sentimentality".
I'd also pare down the word Italian as I think (and you say so yourself) that the sense is evident.
Well, I might have like a bit more context, even though you've given the whole sentence. I take "sentimenti" to be negative and I might go for "sentimentality".
I'd also pare down the word Italian as I think (and you say so yourself) that the sense is evident.
Peer comment(s):
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Silvia Baldi (X)
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suggestion provided
“Lastly, it is perhaps worth mentioning that the finale, entirely composed of realistic sounds, without a trace of music that only reappears just before the very end, reflects an acquired reticence to give in to a maelstrom of emotion, with wanton abandon.”
In the above suggestion, an assumption is made that the finale composed as described (using only realistic sounds) is a departure from the composer’s previous tendency to fill his music with deep sentiment. This seems to be the most straightforward interpretation. However, the context may indicate that previously the composer was very restrained and stuck to conventional musical forms, and that now, by using only realistic sounds in this finale, he has finally overcome his reticence to abandon himself to a flood of feeling and sentiment.
In the above suggestion, an assumption is made that the finale composed as described (using only realistic sounds) is a departure from the composer’s previous tendency to fill his music with deep sentiment. This seems to be the most straightforward interpretation. However, the context may indicate that previously the composer was very restrained and stuck to conventional musical forms, and that now, by using only realistic sounds in this finale, he has finally overcome his reticence to abandon himself to a flood of feeling and sentiment.
9 hrs
as confirmation of acquired constraint in feelings
Usually "ritegno" is translated as "restraint". One of the meanings of "restraint" is: "constraint or reserve in feelings, behavior, etc."
Reference: Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary
Reference: Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary
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CLS Lexi-tech
Native in Italian
Language innovations for the future
Native in: Italian
Works in: English to Italian, French to Italian, Italian, and 3 more.
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self-control
I would translate "ritegno ad abbandonarsi" as self-control, nice and tight, as is best in English
I leave a riprova and conquistato to you, since you know the tone and syntax you are using.
ciao
paola
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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs 31 mins (2005-09-06 16:14:00 GMT)
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What is wrong people?
I refuse to engage in petty comment wars. We give the best we know to our colleagues; I have never engaged in Kudoz to prove others wrong, but just to give my honest opinion.
I leave in an English and French speaking country and I am more than a little puzzled by the Italianate solutions that are sometimes offered in the Italian-English pair.
I tend to avoid overtranslation, even when translating into English deconstructist criticism.
That's all.
Kind regards to all.
paola
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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs 32 mins (2005-09-06 16:14:52 GMT)
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live... and deconstructionist
I leave a riprova and conquistato to you, since you know the tone and syntax you are using.
ciao
paola
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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs 31 mins (2005-09-06 16:14:00 GMT)
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What is wrong people?
I refuse to engage in petty comment wars. We give the best we know to our colleagues; I have never engaged in Kudoz to prove others wrong, but just to give my honest opinion.
I leave in an English and French speaking country and I am more than a little puzzled by the Italianate solutions that are sometimes offered in the Italian-English pair.
I tend to avoid overtranslation, even when translating into English deconstructist criticism.
That's all.
Kind regards to all.
paola
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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs 32 mins (2005-09-06 16:14:52 GMT)
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live... and deconstructionist
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Luisa Piussi
: nice and tight it is.
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Or self-restraint.....ciao
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kmaciel
: What is nice and tight? Self-control? the term seems to evoke the exact opposite!!
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self-control the exact opposit of what? Ritegno is not self-control? Let's not start comment wars, please.
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