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| Ignorance is the best of contempt | Dec 28, 2011 |
For my part, I never wasted my time with setting filters for people I don't want to read the questions of. I simply ignore the questions I am not interested in.
I do not forget that asking a question on Proz can sometimes take more time than a research on google or another site. That's a personal choice I don't judge because I don't care about it, to be honest, because it has no impact.
Ignorance is the best of contempt.
Moreover, the Kudoz can also be seen... See more For my part, I never wasted my time with setting filters for people I don't want to read the questions of. I simply ignore the questions I am not interested in.
I do not forget that asking a question on Proz can sometimes take more time than a research on google or another site. That's a personal choice I don't judge because I don't care about it, to be honest, because it has no impact.
Ignorance is the best of contempt.
Moreover, the Kudoz can also be seen as a kind of showcase that can have a positive, but also a negative effect on a client who takes time to select a collaborator. I would not work with a colleague asking basic questions. Would you? If not, the problem is then already solved...
I wish you all the best for these last days in 2011 and for the coming year
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| | | | | Not abuse... | Dec 28, 2011 |
because it's allowed by the rules... 
| | | | | Defending the indefensible | Dec 28, 2011 |
Samuel Murray wrote:
Do you believe that 15 questions per person per day is too many? What would you regard as a reasonable limit?
Yes, about 15 /week should be ample, and anyone who asks more, allowed in the rules or not, needs to have a word with themselves, and consider whether they are in the right line of business for their skills set. Do you remember the huge hoo-hah on here when the rule was brought in?
I know you like playing a bit of devil's advocate and seeing both sides and all that. I do too - most of my recent posts here have been attempting to see both sides of contract clauses. And I have contributed to ancient threads about how abuse is difficult to quantify such that automatic flags/warnings could be generated.
But in truth, every time I see an off-site discussion of the kudoz system (since naturally, people talk about proz behind the site's back!), this person's name is mentioned. Every single time. There used to be a couple of others, but no-one cares about them any more. It's all about this particular woman, who is seemingly pretty much single-handedly making a laughing stock of the kudoz system (certainly in some pairs), and by extension the site, to anyone with even the slightest pretention to professionalism.
Edit to add it's a bit of shame in some ways, because a couple of the latest questions are actually quite interesting. It's a pity that many of the decent contributors left on the site won't click on anything with her name on it out of principle...
[Edited at 2011-12-28 13:36 GMT]
| | | | | we'll never get it, but... | Dec 28, 2011 |
I still think that a ranking of translators by kudoz questions asked on the main page would deter quite a lot of people from asking too much...
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Robert Forstag 
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Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:
I still think that a ranking of translators by kudoz questions asked on the main page would deter quite a lot of people from asking too much...
And why not? If such individuals are not ashamed of asking 300 questions a month, why should they demur at being recognized on the main page of this site? It could even plausibly be argued that these heavy users of the Kudoz system contribute much more to building glossaries (in some instances, in multiple language pairs) than infrequent askers and answerers.
And so, in this season of giving, why can we not consider providing some token recognition to those who have given so much to others through their incessant posting of questions and diligent glossary entries?
[Edited at 2011-12-28 18:27 GMT]
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Robert Forstag wrote:
Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:
I still think that a ranking of translators by kudoz questions asked on the main page would deter quite a lot of people from asking too much...
And why not? If such individuals are not ashamed of asking 300 questions a month, why should they demur at being recognized on the main page of this site? It could even plausibly be argued that these heavy users of the Kudoz system contribute much more to building glossaries (in some instances, in multiple language pairs) than infrequent askers and answerers.
And so, in this season of giving, why can we not consider providing some token recognition to those who have given so much to others through their incessant postings of questions and diligent glossary entries? [Edited at 2011-12-28 13:56 GMT]
you have a point... having said that, a ranking on the main page would be highly visible and I don't think being exposed to possible viewings by potential and existing clients would be incredibly desirable for these individuals... i.e look at how crap I am at my job... it could even be divided by language pair...
[Edited at 2011-12-28 14:01 GMT]
| | | | | I agree and back the motion | Dec 28, 2011 |
Robert Forstag wrote:
Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:
I still think that a ranking of translators by kudoz questions asked on the main page would deter quite a lot of people from asking too much...
And why not? If such individuals are not ashamed of asking 300 questions a month, why should they demur at being recognized on the main page of this site? It could even plausibly be argued that these heavy users of the Kudoz system contribute much more to building glossaries (in some instances, in multiple language pairs) than infrequent askers and answerers.
And so, in this season of giving, why can we not consider providing some token recognition to those who have given so much to others through their incessant postings of questions and diligent glossary entries? [Edited at 2011-12-28 13:56 GMT]
Absolutely. Why not feature "Leading Kudoz question askers"? This much effort (or lack thereof, depending on one's point of view) should definitely be highlighted for all to appreciate.
| | | | | You may mock... | Dec 28, 2011 |
... because you are mocking, right?
Robert Forstag wrote:
It could even plausibly be argued that these heavy users of the Kudoz system contribute much more to building glossaries (in some instances, in multiple language pairs) than infrequent askers and answerers.
But I bet you a dollar that that is part of the reason the site has consistently failed to set limits at an appropriate level. Our friend in the distinctive neckwear generates site traffic (even this thread, fergawdsake!), and traffic means $$$$ and $$$$ is what proz is all about. It is a business, after all.
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| Display number asked | Dec 28, 2011 |
What a great idea!
This subject/poster has been discussed up many times and I personally do not feel filtering is the answer.
So why not feature tables of questions asked in the same way as questions answered, unless, of course, this would imply that the asker is in some way less 'professional'?
Suzi
[Edited at 2011-12-28 20:36 GMT]
| | | | | I'm an "aye" too! | Dec 28, 2011 |
writeaway wrote:
Absolutely. Why not feature "Leading Kudoz question askers"? This much effort (or lack thereof, depending on one's point of view) should definitely be highlighted for all to appreciate.
That would certainly be an interesting leader board, especially if the posts were shown on a daily average basis, which would probably be more meaningful than simply the total number of questions asked!
| | | | Robert Forstag
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| Suggested introduction for this new leader board | Dec 28, 2011 |
The following individuals have helped boost the self-esteem of their colleagues by enabling them to earn points for translating very difficult, moderately difficult and, in some cases, laughably easy terms in fields and in languages that they themselves were clearly unequipped to handle.
| | | | Ty Kendall
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....it's hard for me to get angry about it since it's not my language pair, although I can see how others would be frustrated by it.
Since it's Christmas, how about we pool together and buy her a decent bilingual dictionary?
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| Excellent suggestion | Dec 29, 2011 |
Ty Kendall wrote:
....it's hard for me to get angry about it since it's not my language pair, although I can see how others would be frustrated by it.
Since it's Christmas, how about we pool together and buy her a decent bilingual dictionary?
As long as it comes complete with instructions how to open and use it
| | | | B D Finch
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| Not just KudoZ abuse | Dec 29, 2011 |
This person is not just abusing KudoZ, but is primarily abusing her clients and other translators. She is allowed to claim on ProZ that she is a native speaker of English, which is belied by a glance at her writing. Though her certified Pro status is not for translation into English, that is not necessarily evident to a potential client using ProZ to seek a translator. So ProZ is effectively colluding in that deception. However many terms she gets translated by resorting to KudoZ, she is still c... See more This person is not just abusing KudoZ, but is primarily abusing her clients and other translators. She is allowed to claim on ProZ that she is a native speaker of English, which is belied by a glance at her writing. Though her certified Pro status is not for translation into English, that is not necessarily evident to a potential client using ProZ to seek a translator. So ProZ is effectively colluding in that deception. However many terms she gets translated by resorting to KudoZ, she is still certain to be stringing them together to produce a badly written, grammatically incompetent result. I am amazed that respectable contributors to KudoZ still answer her questions and I think they should be ashamed of helping her continue this abuse. Of course, there are plenty of incompetent answerers who will step into the breach and earn KudoZ points: let them! Should we offer these over-helpful but respectable answerers a link to this thread? Should we offer her of the flamboyant neckwear a link? Would her face go the same colour as that neckwear, or is she too thick-skinned? Or simply laughing all the way to the bank?
I do think that, if a number of members query the claims of another member to be a native speaker of a language they offer as a target language, ProZ should investigate the claimed competence. If the target language in question were a rare one, that might not be a practical proposition; however, where it is English there can be no excuse. Also, it should not be possible to omit a link to KudoZ activity on one's profile.
Nonetheless, KudoZ is still a useful resource and people should not be inhibited from asking a substantial number of questions if they need to, as it is not in itself a sign of incompetence. Somebody may have a large translation with a lot of specialised terminology; it is quite legitimate for them to read it through before translating, picking out the terminology they need help with. We cannot all be experts in the quantum mechanics of nit-picking equipment.
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| | | | Rachel Fell
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Ty Kendall wrote:
Since it's Christmas, how about we pool together and buy her a decent bilingual dictionary?
...it'd have to be a multi-lingual one, wouldn't it?
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