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Poll: ELIS2023 confirms the language industry is a women-dominated industry, which is the main reason? Αποστολέας σε συζήτηση: ProZ.com Staff
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Lieven Malaise
Βέλγιο
Local time: 13:02
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IrinaN
Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες Αμερικής
Local time: 06:02
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| "Which is the main reason" for what? | Nov 22 |
And +1, Lieven.
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Matthias Brombach 
Γερμανία
Local time: 13:02
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Novian Cahyadi
Ινδονησία
Local time: 19:02
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Justin Peterson
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Local time: 13:02
Μέλος από 2007
Ισπανικά σε Αγγλικά
| Women study foreign languages in disproportionate numbers | Nov 22 |
When I was a Spanish professor, I was struck by the fact that women accounted for some 75%-80% of Spanish majors in our department.
Whether this pattern is for reasons related to their innate aptitudes, or for sociocultural reasons, or a mix of the two, I do not know.
I suspect it is both.
In our still-sexist societies, men, I think men are encouraged to go into the most lucrative careers possible, to be breadwinners, while women are encouraged to pursue more "alternative" ac... See more When I was a Spanish professor, I was struck by the fact that women accounted for some 75%-80% of Spanish majors in our department.
Whether this pattern is for reasons related to their innate aptitudes, or for sociocultural reasons, or a mix of the two, I do not know.
I suspect it is both.
In our still-sexist societies, men, I think men are encouraged to go into the most lucrative careers possible, to be breadwinners, while women are encouraged to pursue more "alternative" academic and career paths.
At the same time, there is also evidence that women are better language learners, and have stronger language skills, in general. ▲ Collapse
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Women still do a disproportionate share of domestic labour and caring duties. It's easier to do this if you can work from home.
Working from home also allows women an environment where they are not constantly harrassed and talked down to by men.
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Baran Keki
Τουρκία
Local time: 15:02
Μέλος
Αγγλικά σε Τουρκικά
| A moot point going forward | Nov 22 |
AI has no gender, but this doesn't change the fact that it's a c**t.
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Chris Spurgin
Ηνωμένο Βασίλειο
Local time: 12:02
Μέλος από 2016
Ρωσικά σε Αγγλικά
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| Plays to women's strengths | Nov 22 |
Women are higher in verbal aptitude, more interested in foreign languages.
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| Invisibility/low status/low pay | Nov 22 |
A variety of reasons, but I think the above-mentioned are important ones. Though it's hard to know what's the cause and result - it could also be the other way around.
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I have no idea why this industry is female-dominated (probably all of the above or a combination of some). I suppose that for many women the fact that they can work from home (long before teleworking became a fixture in peoples' everyday lexicon) has been a big attraction, although in my case I started by working in-house as staff translator. I also know that at a certain point in my life it was much easier to find a job as a translator than as an economist...
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Chris Spurgin wrote:
Women are higher in verbal aptitude, more interested in foreign languages.
The differences in linguistic aptitude between men and women are minimal, hardly statistically significant at the population level, and not a reliable predictor of individual abilities.
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Although not very relevant in statistical terms, it might be interesting to know what the proportion of women and men is among Proz.com members...
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IrinaN
Ηνωμένες Πολιτείες Αμερικής
Local time: 06:02
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| We either know or can easily find that | Nov 22 |
Novian Cahyadi wrote:
Lieven Malaise wrote:
What is ELIS2023?
Apparently, it's the 2023 European Language Industry Survey.
It's just that there are a few desperate fighters here, myself including, trying to explain that it is... hmm... not nice to meet and greet the reader and the discussion participant with acronyms and codes, especially for professionals who themselves would swear left an right on all languages known to them, when they get a source text stuffed with undeciphered abbreviations.
Elementary, Watson.
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Liena Vijupe
Λετονία
Local time: 14:02
Μέλος από 2014
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Cultural and societal expectations which lead to higher female enrollment in humanities (and other related factors), I'd say.
Although before joining the "language industry" I studied philosophy which was very male-dominated at the time. I don't know what conclusions to draw from that, except that I'm glad for the income I've had thanks to my translation work.
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