這算是翻譯 (Is this considered translation to you?)

Yueyin Sun wrote:
有些人认为 Non-native English speakers 不能做中譯英。其实这个问题已经讨论过多次了，不想再讨论了。.....

.....动辄教训别人的英语是 "Chinglish"。须知，有些 Non-native English speakers 译出的文章也许不如他们的漂亮，但 It works。貌似漂亮的也许谈的完全是另一回事，根本就不 work。下次我遇到这样的人我也不多啰嗦，只要求其在这个论坛上用中文写，同时要求所有母语为中文者用英文写。咱们不要比谁的母语好，而是比一比谁的外语差，如何？

Yueyin Sun wrote:
咱们不要比谁的母语好，而是比一比谁的外语差，如何？

Wenjer Leuschel wrote:

今聞台灣翻譯界某名人曾說，他晚年或許可以寫譯作回憶錄，細數種種因緣、得失、恩仇……。

這有趣。依我此生的人世觀察，幾乎人人都很可以在晚年寫出精彩的回憶錄，特別是不足與內人道的那部分，往往尤其精彩。

[Edited at 2005-07-09 11:54]

Lesley McLachlan wrote:

I am curious,particularly because a peer is translating a specialist text from Chinese to English, and also says he is 'illiterate'in that specialist field... (這算是翻譯吗?) I wonder, how much of a text do you think you need to understand in the 原文? in this case 是人家的母语. What do peers generally do in practice? Do you collaborate with specialists? Rely on Kudoz to help out? ... It would be quite interesting to know.I think we see a similar thing happening with very colloquial English to Chinese texts, such as the ones from the IT field - my feeling is there needs to be close collaboration with an English native speaker on those texts or the result won't be very good.

Finally, on context, some peers post terms with no context at all.(這算是翻譯吗?). I think the words always exist within text and discourse...we need context to 意识到 the meaning, and 'carry it across' into the other language. Translate 本来是carry across 吗?

And what about respecting the writer and the writer's choice of words? I find some translators change the meaning and substitute words to suit themselves.They 'know what they are looking for'. (這算是翻譯吗?) When you come to a text don't you need an open mind? Somebody wrote it. They chose the words, the style, the structure, the register, for a reason. If you were a writer, what would you want. Without writers, there would be no work for translators, after all. 应该尊敬.我怀疑some 'translators'好象是利用作者而已,或者一点不想到作者,认为把写作/作品翻译得马马虎虎,差不多就行.Chance 说美国骄傲...我看如果一个人不愿意尊敬作者,不愿意'消化吸收'原文就不用当翻译吧.同行们是怎么认为?

[Edited at 2005-07-21 20:59]

In translation I see professionals, hobbyists,and opportunists, housewives,hacks, chauvinists, and self-appointed experts; people who guess the meanings of words in Kudoz and don't reference, who don't seem to use basic tools like dictionaries or Google; Chinese native speakers who never seem to use English monolingual references (怕什么?) (这算是翻译世界吗?)大家是怎么认为?

[Edited at 2005-07-23 02:47]

[Edited at 2005-07-23 03:16]

jyuan_us wrote:


台灣翻譯界某名人? 怎样才能变成翻译界名人?

Zhoudan wrote:
老孙的这个主意好！:)

Donglai Lou wrote:
大陆的翻译名人有如下几类：翻译协会会长、副会长、前（副）会长、理事、大学教授、外交部翻译室高翻（经常上电视）。象我这样，钻在钱眼里的翻译，根本不入流，连边缘化小角色都不如。

但此地有一位中国翻译界的新星，极其“摄人魂魄”，被国内网友一致认为是译界名人：www.wangqian.com.cn。不过其网站上，确有许多还不错的东西。

Lesley McLachlan wrote:
Billingual specialists, if you can find them.

Hi Wenjer

Hey,I find I can read your 繁体 a little easier now...it comes from looking up that Longman English-Chinese Dictionary so much. Well, the specialists I had in mind are like bilingual Chinese students in that field for example. 在海外不少大学的某某系平常能找到

Lesley

Donglai Lou wrote:

但此地有一位中国翻译界的新星，极其“摄人魂魄”，被国内网友一致认为是译界名人：www.wangqian.com.cn。不过其网站上，确有许多还不错的东西。

http://www.google.com/search?hl=zh-CN&ie=GB2312&q=���緭��&lr=

[Edited at 2005-07-23 09:45]

Libin, Ph.D. wrote:

论坛上很早以前就讨论过Non-native English speakers 是否能做中譯英
的问题。我同意Yueyin和Wenjer的看法。

我想中译英应该分成两类：
第一类：文学翻译和包含很多口语习语内容的材料之翻译；
第二类：科技文章的翻译，常见的有专利和科技、医学杂志论文的翻译。

对于第一类我至少有自知之明，不会去做，Native English speakers肯定比我们Non-native English speakers做得好，应该由他们去做。对于第二类，具有专业背景的Non-native English speakers也有自己的优势，往往在Native English speakers做不下来的时候，却可以给客户解燃眉之急。